People who are against the Teen Help Industry - Real Hatemon

[HandsOutLight]

Hi Ginger -- Good Grief.

The Quote I really love is this one.

... shake off all the fears of servile prejudices under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call to her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a god because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear. You will naturally examine first the religion of your own country. Read the bible then, as you would read Livy or Tacitus. The testimony of the writer weighs in their favor in one scale, and their not being against the laws of nature does not weigh against them. But those facts in the bible which contradict the laws of nature, must be examined with more care, and under a variety of faces. Here you must recur to the pretensions of the writer to inspiration from god. Examine upon what evidence his pretensions are founded, and whether that evidence is so strong as that it's [sic] falshood [sic] would be more improbable than a change of the laws of nature in the case he relates.... Do not be frightened from this enquiry by any fear of it's [sic] consequences. If it ends in a belief that there is no god, you will find incitements to virtue in the comfort and pleasantness you feel in it's [sic] exercise, and the love of others which it will procure you. If you find reason to believe there is a god, a consciousness that you are acting under his eye, and that he approves you, will be a vast additional incitement. If that there be a future state, the hope of a happy existence in that increases the appetite to deserve it; if that Jesus was also a god, you will be comforted by a belief of his aid and love. In fine, I repeat that you must lay aside all prejudice on both sides, and neither believe nor reject any thing because any other person, or description of persons have rejected or believed it. Your own reason is the only oracle given you by heaven, and you are answerable not for the rightness but uprightness of the decision.... (Thomas Jefferson, letter to his young nephew Peter Carr, August 10, 1787. From Adrienne Koch, ed., The American Enlightenment: The Shaping of the American Experiment and a Free Society, New York: George Braziller, 1965, pp. 320-321.)

[Antigen]

On 2004-03-29 11:10:00, Antibody? wrote:

 Capitalism is exactly what it says ?capital? (money) ?ism? (belief in).

Yes, exactly that. We often hear of this or that hated faction putting money before some other presumably more important thing. Money before the children, money before peace, profits before people, etc. But in that statement, we neglect the cold hard fact that money is nothing but a marker system to reperesent needed goods and services. The children need money to buy food, shelter, clothing and a nice new (or refurbished) bicycle. We can expect peace when most everybody's got enough of the things money can buy and can expect to realize the benefits of their labours.

There's no taking money out of the equation. Capitalism is a belief in that truism. Rather than let everyone vote on how best to take those needed resources from others for their own agendas, Capitalism lays down a few very simple rules of ownership and responsibility. There is absolutely NOthing capitalistic about military operations to secure fuel production resources for private industry. That is Socialism. A true Capitalist plan would have to rely on negotiation and voluntary trade by definition. These Neocons currently occupying the seats of power in this country are no more Capitalists than our new friend Craig here is anything close to what Christ described as a decent human being.

War is God?s way of teaching Americans geography.

--Ambrose Bierce (died 1914)

[Anonymous]

The left-wing politics is annoying.

It would be nice if folks would remember that not all of the people opposed to child abuse, child neglect, fraud, and involuntary commitment of juveniles over trivialities are left wingers.

Not all people with conservative politics are nutty Christian religious fanatics.

There are right-libertarians, just as there are left-libertarians.

It may feel good to vent your political spleen, but risking alienating fellow travelers isn't really worth it.

[Anonymous]

Well, I think Words of Wisdon failed here.  His/Her own hate for our freedom to express our feelings got the better of him/her.  

I presume that Words of Wisdom is feeling a bit threatened by our posts.  I may be right that he/she is a program director who may be feeling the pinch in pocket book.  Hooray!!!!

The truth shall set [us] free!  Keep up the good work!

[Antigen]

Yeah, I hear ya'!

Scoundrels are predictable, but you're a man of honor and that frightens me.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0671877046/' target='_new'> Robert Heinlein, Glory Road.

[Anonymous]

in the real world, whichever religous group gives politicians the most $ will further their "human interest" cause the most.  :idea:  is this a separation of church & state?  
i think not.

[Anonymous]

Talk about wolf in sheep's clothing.  The closer we get to becoming a church state, the closer we get to the war to end all wars!

[Antibody?]

I wasn't suggesting ending trade or ablolshing Capitalism. I was simply stating that Calitalism is not Democracy - they are two different things.
Neither am I advocating Socialism. I am simply stating these points.

Of course, I am perceived to be left. I will stay here (or whereever I am) and state my case no matter what anyone likes or dislikes. Surprise! It is my constitional Right "or-was-that-left ---- oh shit" ha ha ha.

Guess what. "It is great to be misunderstood" (Emerson) i voted for Nixon once, then Reagan, then Perot then Clinton. Now I'm voting for any male without a Bush. Anything would be better.

"Oh no. "I violated the sensibilities of the right!!!" - (a voice is heard in the distance) GOD SAVE THE MAVERICK "get the scarlet letter brand now" Now?  Oh No !!!!!-- RUN aaaaaaahahahahah."

What is this, a fucking police state? - I hope you are not an example of a standard libratarian.
Truth be told. I'm not right or left. I'm completely out of the box. ---

da da dada dada, da daada daa daaaaaa DDDDDAAAA.
"You're traveling through another dimension; a dimention not only of site and sound but of mind" "A wonderous land whos boundaries are that of the imagination la la la la laaaaaaaaaa. "You've just stepped over into the" CRITICAL THINKING ZONE - MORON !!!!  ha ha hahahaha.

"Join MEEEEEE LUKE and you will know the POWER OF THE DARK SIDE?" "Give up being a literalist- -paint-by-numbers-libratarian. You can't be a machine. Luke, Join Me." "I willl NEVER JOIN YOU" Chop. aaaaaaaaaaaaa"
hahahahaahahhha

[Antibody?]

That wasn't for you Ginger you are an admirable critical thinker. It was for ding a ling.

[Word of Wisdom]

Just as I thought!  Perfect  science.  The  posts in this forum qualifies those who frequent this web site as being "the" lunatic fringe.  It really shows every visitor what kind of people post replies on Fornits.  

I started out telling everyone that in just one week this forum would be filled with evil and dark posts.   I did not figure that it would be completed in one day.  I guess I out did myself.  

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that you are filled with hate.  Thus, you disqualify your own statements and help the cause you are fighting.  Not very effective.  

Also, I will be sending the posts from "The Butcher" to the FBI.  Expect a visit young lady!

[Troubled Turd]

Oh I'm sure the FBI is gonna be ALL OVER that one.  :roll:

The playground is closing, and I think I hear your mommy calling you...  :lol:

[GregFL]

On 2004-03-29 09:07:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-03-28 20:49:00, Word of Wisdom wrote:


"I told you... that is two hate mongers in just a few minutes after I posted my little experiment.  I knew that I was right, but it is still shocking to see it become a reality.  Keep it up!  This time next week we shall see just what kind of people hate those who work with teens. Even though they read that this thread is an experiment they cant help themselves, as they just have to write their hate (even though they might classify/define it to be disapproval)."

You remind me of a street preacher "Brother Jim" who would X people out and accuse all the young men of "masturbation" for directing their (ahem) organ while urinating to do so neatly and in the normal male fashion in normal mens' rooms.



By redefining "masturbation" in much the same way you have redefined "hate," he could accuse virtually every male of that act.



You've essentially redefined "hate" to be disagreement with your position and "hatemongers" to be anyone who disagrees with you.



You know, my family used to play a game on long car trips where we'd take the letters in license tags and try to form words that included those letters in that order, where the person with the shortest word won.



My mom looked at one, we'll say BCC for the sake of argument and said, "Back, if you don't care about spelling."  My reply was, "Cat, if you don't care about spelling."



The point was that once you throw out the rules of spelling in the game, *any* three-letter word wins---because the rules of spelling were crucial to defining the game.



Once you throw out the conventional English-language definitions of the words "hate" and "hatemonger" in calling people a name or accusing them of a vice (this holds true of accusing people of *any* vice), you can accuse anyone of anything.



You've fallen down the rabbit hole into the wonderland, with the Mad Hatter, the Queen of Hearts, and Alice---essentially, you're asserting, "When I use a word, it means just what I want it to mean, no more and no less."



Unfortunately for you, that logically fallacious debate strategy only works when you're debating people stupid enough to let you get away with it instead of calling your illogic what it is.



Are you so used to only associating with and matching wits with stupid people that you're actually used to getting away with that sort of sophistry?



And you call yourself a "social scientist"?



I don't "hate" you, sir.  But I don't respect your mind or your ability to formulate a logical argument to advance your position, and since that ability is ordinarily a prerequisite for becoming a social scientist, my initial impression is that you're not only a poor debater but also untruthful.



For the sake of clarity, if you haven't either earned a PhD in one of the social sciences from an accredited post-secondary institution *or* published an original piece of scientific research in a peer-reviewed journal of one of the social sciences, you are *not* a social scientist.



You may be an amateur with an interest in the social sciences, but to be a "scientist" you have to do original, rigorous research that adds worthwhile discoveries to the body of scientific knowledge in  your field.  Either having a dissertation approved by fellow scientists, or publishing in a peer-reviewed journal, meets those basic criteria.



For the sake of argument, Webster's 1913 defines "hate" in the following way:



1. To have a great aversion to, with a strong desire that evil should befall the person toward whom the feeling is directed; to dislike intensely; to detest; as, to hate one's enemies; to hate hypocrisy.



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I don't have a great aversion to you or wish you ill, I just don't have any respect for your intellectual prowess or your truthfulness (or, more precisely, your probable lack thereof).



You aren't significant enough to my life to arouse any emotional intensity even remotely approaching hate.

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Two things....First, why post such a well thought out and intelligent response and then post it anon?  You should be proud of those words.

Second.......hmmm....brother Jim??   Circa early 1980s college circuit, with the two screaming women and the bible thumping and hell raising?

No better theater have I ever seen than the hours I used to watch this complete but sincere idiot rant and rave around the university of Florida back when I went there.

Same guy??

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-29 19:19:00, GregFL wrote:


Second.......hmmm....brother Jim??   Circa early 1980s college circuit, with the two screaming women and the bible thumping and hell raising?



No better theater have I ever seen than the hours I used to watch this complete but sincere idiot rant and rave around the university of Florida back when I went there.



Same guy??

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No, you are thinking of Brother Jed and his wife Sister Cindy.  I don't know who the other woman is.  They were regular visitors to the college campus in the town where I live.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-29 18:49:00, Word of Wisdom wrote:

"Just as I thought!  Perfect  science.  The  posts in this forum qualifies those who frequent this web site as being "the" lunatic fringe.  It really shows every visitor what kind of people post replies on Fornits.  



I started out telling everyone that in just one week this forum would be filled with evil and dark posts.   I did not figure that it would be completed in one day.  I guess I out did myself.  



It does not take a rocket scientist to see that you are filled with hate.  Thus, you disqualify your own statements and help the cause you are fighting.  Not very effective.  



Also, I will be sending the posts from "The Butcher" to the FBI.  Expect a visit young lady!



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I have no hate for you. I have pity. You must be lonely and it is evident you suffer from some form of mental illness. I pray you get the help you need.

Please consider how selfish you are to even consider contacting the FBI over such a trivial matter as what someone said to you on a message board.

Do you believe they will feel a great deal of appreciation toward you? More likely you will be placed on a watch list, be written up as a nuissance and turned over to Social Services.

You are diluded and irrational. Your words are a farce and meant to incite. Please get the help you clearly need.

[Anonymous]

about turd and butcher:

"Offensive thoughts flow freely from an offensive individual."

I do wonder what makes them both so hostile and hateful; epically towards Christianity. Hard to believe it just manifested itself in response to this thread.
Whatever it is; I fear for them, that they have turned their backs to Hope and Peace and Joy. I fear they have been driven into declining the free gift of salvation and will never understand until its to late. All b/c of what some person/people may have done; without even looking at the real message and considering the Truth of it.
This is about forever people. Think about that if your able.
And my Christian sibling; Remember, we are to be striving to pull people from the abyss; not shoving them into it.