Jeff Leugers Fan Club

[Cayo Hueso]

On 2004-03-26 13:01:00, Don Smith wrote:




You need to understand that when I started the Alumni site, I was uneducated in what really happened and I was completly blind to it.  Since then my eyes have been opened.

Don, I mean no disprespect.  I am sincerely interested in what you mean by this.  If you went through the program and were on staff are you saying that you never saw any of the things that we all did???

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there;  lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid.  She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again---and that is well;  but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
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[RTP2003]

On 2004-03-26 13:01:00, Don Smith wrote:


You have all the anwers don't you?

Why yes, as a matter of fact I do.

You started this thread by making the outrageous notion that Jeff Leugers committing suicide was somehow noble.  Assuming of course that he did it because of his involement with Staff at Straight.  Fact is no one but God and Jeff knows why he killed himself. Straight may or may not have played a part in it.

It was from guilt he felt for being on Staff.  I know this because my "conscious contact" with God is pretty good--He keeps me informed on what's happening, and sometimes asks me for advice.  That's how I know you're still brainwashed, too.

Then you tell us that all Staff should be held to a higher standard and if they aren't "doing something" then they should kill themselves. Again this is what you THINK and frankly is pretty sick.

  I stand by that statement.  Their crimes, committed on a daily basis, are such that they should kill themselves if they aren't working to destroy the program and its minions and spinoffs.

I nearly took my own life on Staff because of the way I was treated by the other Staff members there.

Not out of guilt or anything.  Looks like maybe you were starting to grow a conscience.

 
You need to understand that when I started the Alumni site, I was uneducated in what really happened and I was completly blind to it.  Since then my eyes have been opened.

 You were in Straight, then on Staff, and you were "uneducated" as to what really went on? Come on, Don.  That's ridiculous.  More likely you were repressing the guilt you felt.

But who are you to say that because I was on Staff I have to do anything just so I'll be somehow redeemed in your eyes?

I am a survivor of 13 months of systematic abuse by Staff members like you. Who the fuck do you think i am, asshole?

 I've made my peace with the people that I think I did wrongs to.

You participated in crimes against Humanity.  Maybe not to the extent that others did, but you were a willing participant.

I've become a better person because of the people I've met in this and other forums.  I don't owe you squat!

 Not me personally, but to the Survivors of Straight as a whole, you do.  Suicide would be a good start at repayment, since you are obviously unwilling to do anything other than whine about how rough you had it on staff.



Love ya, Staff.



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[Anonymous]

Then you tell us that all Staff should be held to a higher standard and if they aren't "doing something" then they should kill themselves.

Sounds cool to me.

[Don Smith]

On 2004-03-26 13:24:00, RTP2003 wrote
Suicide would be a good start at repayment

Won't happen.  

Don

[RTP2003]

On 2004-03-26 15:31:00, Don Smith wrote:

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On 2004-03-26 13:24:00, RTP2003 wrote

Suicide would be a good start at repayment



Won't happen.  



Don"

What a damn shame.

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Your sponsor says it's OK for you to drink

[Anonymous]

1) Admitted that I am powerless over being an unrepentant ex-Staff member and came to believe that suicide is my best, most honorable option.

2)Made a decision to put the barrel of a gun in my mouth.

3)Made a search for the highest caliber weapon and ammunition available.

4)Admitted to the Straight survivors that I am a dispicable human being whose only chance at redemption is to kill myself.

5)Made damn sure that there's a round in the chamber and the safety is off.

6)Sought to improve my conscious contact with God by going to meet him REAL soon.

7) Having received the gift of awareness, I will kill myself before I do any more harm to the Straight survivors and the world in general.


Congratulations!  You're a seven stepper now!  Too bad you won't be around for the celebration.

[Carmel]

Its unfortunate that none of you know a single thing about what death really is.  Or what it really means.

[Majiktrvls]

You are so right, Carmel. You lost your daughter last year, wasn't it?  I lost my man of 17 years, to suicide, two years ago. (And, no he was not on staff, never incarcerated in Straight, had no knowledge of the place, other than what he learned from me.)

He surely was in a very dark mental place to commit such an act.

I would not wish that state of mind on anyone, staff or not.
 
Obviously, Mark has not lost anyone to such traumatic events, or he would not even approach this subject with such general callousness.

[Anonymous]

On 2004-03-26 18:05:00, Carmel wrote:

"Its unfortunate that none of you know a single thing about what death really is.  Or what it really means."

I lost my mother, father, and fiance within 11 months of each other,and I have lost several close friends, so you can all take a flying fuck. I stand by my statements.  I know what death is as well as any of you assholes. Eat shit and die.

[Anonymous]

I would not wish that state of mind on anyone, staff or not.

I would, and it would still be only a fraction of the suffering they are responsible for.  They dished it out, let 'em take it.

[Majiktrvls]

I am sorry that you are stuck in such a negative place. Perhaps, one day, you will find your way out. Until that time, I wish you the best of luck making peace with your demons.

[Carmel]

Who is to say that death isnt the ultimate reward?  We are not ones to judge what may be the answer to all these questions.  And to be honest...if death gives the same reward to a staff member..as it did to my daughter, to your mother, to your father...I wouldnt be wishing death on staff members if I were you.  What manner of justice would that be my friend?  Do you have so little respect that you would let them rub elbows with your beloved lost ones?

Open your heart and your mind will follow.

[Dr. Miller Newton]

On 2004-03-26 23:39:00, Carmel wrote:

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Who is to say that death isnt the ultimate reward?

It is if you 7 Step from the new, improved, all-ages Straight, Inc. v2.0 ! Then you go to Heaven!  All cop outs, pull-offs, and terminations go to Hell.  If you die on Phases 1-2 you go to Limbo, and Phases 3-4 to Purgatory.  Fifth Phase is Purgatory, but with days off.  Love ya!

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