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Anonymous:
Then, naturally, you would have nothing to do w/ "escort" services because all of your students are there voluntarily, right?
Its not up to me Ginger, weather or not they accept escorted kids.
You and Devlen and everyone else, know I don't hold exactly the same point of view as you guys on the subject of escorts. We've debated this in the past. I do see your point; but I have not yet reached the point where I can say I don't think it is ever the correct choice.
I know ALA has not in the past accepted escorted kids. When I sent Nate that was the policy. I think maybe now, under some circumstances, they will; but I know for a fact this is not usually the case. I talk to many of the parents and they have all traveled with their kids.
I am troubled by some of the accounts of escorting I've herd and its enough to make anyone want to say it ought to never occur.
It isn't always like that tho; and in my opinion, it can serve the kid's best interest if done responsibly; by good people under the right circumstances. You needn?t tell me how wrong I am; I know how you feel.
I did have Nathan escorted to Dundee; as you all well known. The escort was a decent guy and treated Nate kindly and Nathan has had no complaints - even rather enjoyed the trip; which he likely wouldn't have, had it been me and him. My only complaint is the guy didn't tell me what he knew about wwasp; and I think he should have.
With the transfer, as I have told you guys, I met him in Miami and flew out to Utah with him.
But as to anything (Christianity) being forced on the kids - No, I don't think thats the case at all, even if they do happen to arrive with an escort. Its not like their running a mini inquisition; ALA is not heavy handed and dogmatic the way some are.
I do like these people. Very much. I am very grateful to them and I think they're doing important work.
You don't.
OK.
We disagree on this, as we do many things.
We still have our areas of agreement and we can still work together there, I hope; and were we disagree, I hope it can remain a civil disagreement.
Anonymous:
Karen, why in the world would you advocate any parent not transport their own child to their program-of-choice given what happened to you? This does not make sense and leads me to conclude that you have a propensity to talk out of both sides of your mouth.
Think about it ... you have posted on this forum and others that you made a regretable mistake sending your child to a program "sight unseen". Now you have taken it a step further by saying you feel the person you hired to escort/transport your child was not honest with you.
For pete's sake lady, you are either dumb as a stone or incredibly gullible. Please, stop trying to save kids and families from the wicked ways of the world. You are not God and neither is Craig.
You are salesmen pitching a service (escorts) to parents who are more than capable of transporting their own kids and should be encouraged not discouraged from doing so.
Frankly, I have decided that if you accept even one kid under transport, you have failed in your mission and really should consider another way to satisfy your "calling" in life. This is just the height of hypocrisy and I see no reason to pretend otherwise, especially since these poor kids are the ones paying the price.
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Anonymous:
I dunno. I have been categorically against escorts.
And I am now, the way they're done.
However, *theoretically* if a state regulated escorts tightly enough that they required the parents and service to get a notarized waiver signed by the kid during daylight hours agreeing to be transported to X school in Y place with a general informed consent document about the specifics of that school, then I could see letting parents hire an escort to get their kid to school safely.
I'd want the law to be pretty explicit about what kind of things had to be in the informed consent document.
I still don't think they're a good idea, but if the parents have health problems or something, you could have an actual *good* school where the kid would need help getting there.
But as it is now? No way in hell.
Anonymous:
We're talking about forcing kids into highly restrictive, custodial schools and programs against their will, not "escorting" them to some preppy boarding school where the only thing the kid need fear is whether he/she will have a room with a private bathroom.
Again, the escort business is a racket. Sure, there are some kind, decent, good-hearted folks who think of themselves as above the moonlighting cops, probation officers, and ex-prison guards.
But this is a competitive industry driven soley by demand.
So let's be real.
Parents who rely on the services of an escort service aren't doing this because they are physically impaired. They are doing it because they have been encouraged (read sold) on the idea either by the program itself, and ed con, independent referral agent, or heaven forbid, another parent. Don't believe me?
Read the link to the article written by the transport company promoting their services. Pretty story, isn't it?
Wise up parents, if your kid has to go to a program, take them yourselves. It's best for the child and will save you a chunk of change which is sure to come in handy down the road ...
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Anonymous:
That was kind of my point.
When Karen or somebody talks about "Oh, maybe there could be a situation when using an escort is good"---well, that *might* be true someday if the rules are reformed so that the only escorts left in business are helping a willing kid get to prep school.
But as things are *now*, if someone has enough demand to be in business as an escort, their job is kidnapping kids. It's legal, but the essence of it is kidnapping kids and virtually all of what the current escorts do should be made illegal.
My point is that, yeah, she's right that such a "good" use could exist--in theory--but the current state of the laws and the business, no way in hell is a parent's use of an escort service the harmless hypothetical I was able to come up with.
I guess it was kind of an obscure point.
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