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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2004-03-26 14:52:00, CraigRogers wrote:

"Dear Anonymous,



I respect your opinion of Karen Burnett, and I would hope that you would respect mine.  I love her very much.  She is very dear to my heart.  She has always been supportive, encouraging, and diligent to love me and my family.  I owe her a great deal.  She has been there for me through thick and thin.



Her son Nate was never employed with Abundant Life Academy.  After his graduation from our program he volunteered to serve other kids.  Nate was more then an employee.  He worked harder then most employees, and gave from his heart.  Nate is one of the neatest kids I have ever known.  I would do anything to support both Karen and her son Nate.



I would stand behind the Burnett's willing to go through the fire for them.



God bless,



Craig"

--- End quote ---


What IS this, the Craig and Karen Mutual Adoration Society?   :smokin:

CraigRogers:
Dear Debrah,

I am sorry... I dont know how to answer some one like you.  No matter what I state I am afraid that you will turn it around and use it against me.  I dont think you are looking for answers, it seems that you only want to complain and criticize.  If you spent a fraction the energy you spend on complaining and devert it to being a part of the solution you could really make a difference.  Again, all the information you need is in my original statement.

In my original statement I stated that I was under negoitiations with Patricia Bettencort and Josue Aparicio to provide the services.  We started working together in May.  I terminiated the relationship with Patricia in June.  I continued to work with Josue until September.  I never signed an agreement with Patricia because her terms were unacceptable.  Josue and I worked toward making our agreement formal, but it never materialized.  I never signed a contract with either party.  

Basically, in the first several months I paid all expenses of the students through Josue.  I paid for the housing, the food, and the staff.  I sent the money to Josue so that he could pay for all of the students needs. I paid Josue a handsome salary to function in this role.  He did fine in this role for three months and then the wheels came off and I was forced to terminate our business relationship.  It was his indescretions and unprofessional behavior that forced me to terminate our business relationship.


Debrah, this is the last comment I will make on this subject.  I hope that you can go on with your life now.  At least try to find a hobbie or some other meaningful and significant pasttime.  You are wasting your time blasting people without cause.

God bless,

Craig Rogers

[ This Message was edited by: CraigRogers on 2004-03-26 16:11 ]

CraigRogers:
The Spirit of Lawlessness Part 1
Sandy Brunson
Mar 26, 2004

 
The spirit within unregenerate man is one of lawlessness rather than obedience as it was in Adam and Eve.... as it was in Israel 1000 years before Christ, as it was at the time of Christ's coming to earth, as it is today. We find a report of this very thing in the last verse of the book of Judges. "In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes." (Judges 21:25) In every generation, people down through history have been littered by such an attitude whether they had a natural king or not.

The human nature of mankind is to simply live his/her lifetime out by doing what is right in his/her own eyes. People want to be "a law unto themselves" and live by their own human authority. But God did not design for His creation to live that way. Nevertheless, the stubbornness of holding on to control of one's life is the attitude, which so pervades our modern culture. It is virtually impossible to escape the influence of this fact. Mankind is faced with it everywhere he turns. Through the strong lure of self-attainment, many people find themselves in positions of power and influence that bring them "present success". Such attainment in the modern world has become a driving force. Man's pride fuels and applauds it worldwide. Independence. Success. Beauty. Wealth. Fame. Position. Control. Achievement. Masses of people today exercise themselves in every area of their lives to acquire such trophies. Attainment of such things becomes the goal and the prize of modern life. Great sacrifice is made to these "idols" in the hearts and minds of people. No expense is spared them. They are even worshipped!

The idols are obtained "at all costs", and they are costly. People literally give their lives to obtain these prizes! Most even sacrifice the lives of their families to obtain them. Time, production, and attainment become harsh taskmasters. Character and integrity are overlooked. Morals lapse. Purity and righteousness are scorned. Relationships are perverted and suffer through neglect and lack of necessary nurture. Attaining and pleasing such idols becomes the driving force of masses of people who have tasted of their rewards. In his deep intent to place these idolatrous goals as the quest of this life, man forfeits the rewards of "walking with God". Just as Adam pursued something other then God's will, so does fallen mankind. The majority of people who hold a modern world view crave power, prosperity, and position. They give their lives for the attainment of these "gods" with unbridled zeal.

In His infinite wisdom, Almighty God declared in Exodus 20:2-3, "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt (a type of the "world" system), out of the house of bondage. You shall have no other gods before Me!" This is the commandment, which relates mankind correctly unto Him. God, our Creator, determined the prescription of our relationship with Him. When we obey it, our lives will be in Divine Order. When we disobey it, they will be in disorder.

~to be continued....

Looking unto Jesus,

Sandy
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CraigRogers:
Only the REAL and RIGHTEOUS
Sandy Brunson
Mar 25, 2004

 
The only thing, ultimately, that is going to remain...is the character and nature of My fruit in the lives of people. Power, ministry, good works...unless they are done in My holiness and truth, are going to burn up and be blown away. All the glitz, the glamor, the showy displays will burn in the Refiner's fire. Only that which is REAL and RIGHTEOUS - the deep things of My nature will remain under such heat. So lay up for yourselves treasures in Heaven where character and integrity and fruit such as the nine will stand. (Galatians 5:22-23). Where traits such as those found in 2 Peter 1 will stand. THESE THINGS...desire.

Humble yourself under the Mighty Hand of God to possess these things. Look for and seek My nature and My character. For only those who bear My fruit shall remain. My Word teaches that "by their fruits" (good or bad) you shall identify the true nature of people. May the fruit of your life reflect the character and nature of My Holy Spirit...for it is He that embodies My personality.

Many shall say, "Lord, Lord, did I not do THIS? Did I not do THAT in Your Name?"

And I will say, "I never knew you. Did you bring your HEART to Mine....to KNOW ME? To know My Person? To know My fruit and My ways and to walk in them? Or did you just desire to be aligned with me to do works in My Name that bring you power and position and attention? I came to transform...not to set you in high places. Choose this day whom you will serve."

Those who truly know Me, will reflect the "healthy personality" that is Mine. THESE THINGS: humility, self-restraint, kindness, confidence, objectivity, empathy, boldness, respect, reflective thinking, grace, truth, wisdom, understanding, love, openness, faithfulness, contentment, thankfulness, holiness, peace, patience, gentleness, compassion, endurance, considerateness, sincerity, joy, godliness...characterize Me.

Those who know Me will embody these characteristics and reflect them in relation to Me and toward others. Relationship with Me, in turn, affects how people RELATE with others who are in their life or who cross their path. I have said that I am not a "respecter of persons," for respect is not given because of accomplishments...but rather it is attributing VALUE and PRECIOUSNESS to every living soul and being willing to listen and hear...not only what they have to say, but also acknowledge what they feel. Learn to be present with them...in the moment...to notice them.

Be willing to accept their person...though not always their behavior or attitudes. Do not enmesh people with their behavior. Look to Me for the ability to separate who they are.....from how they behave. Do not allow your feelings to justify rudeness. Examine your communication patters...and allow My grace to enable you in how you relate to others...and to reflect My personality...My nature to them. For it, alone, brings hope that can transform and change the darkness to light.
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~from the listening heart of Sandy Brunson

Anonymous:
Posted: 2004-03-25 17:44:00  
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On 2004-01-30 18:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

"TO THE PARENTS

AS LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA S. DE RL.? WE FEEL IT IS OUR MORAL DUTY TO INFORM YOU THE FOLLOWING.

THE CORPORATION CALLED ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? (?ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY AT LAKE CHAPALA?) WAS CONSTITUTED WITH A HUNDRED PER CENT MEXICAN CAPITAL, ON APRIL 30th OF 2003, UNDER PUBLIC DOCUMENT NO. 8,286, VOLUME 184, IN HERMOSILLO, SONORA, BEFORE NOTARY NO. 46, ATTORNEY ROMELIA RUIZ CAZARES AND IT WAS REGISTERED IN THE PUBLIC RECORD OFFICE OF CHAPALA, JALISCO, ON MAY, 7th, 2003, WITH THE NUMBER 173 OF THE SECOND TOME OF THE FIRST BOOK OF THE RECORDS COMMERCE, AND AT THE MINISTRY OF FINANCE, WITH THE FEDERAL REGISTRATION (RFC) AVA030430TE9, BEING PARTNERS, THE ATTORNEY PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ AS THE SOLE ADMINISTRATOR, MRS. IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT AS THE AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE OF THE CORPORATION AND MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO GOMEZ AS GENERAL MANAGER.

THE IDEA OF HAVING OUR ?ACADEMIA? IN THE COMMUNITY OF AJIJIC, JALISCO, AS WELL AS RENTING THE REAL STATE AND THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ITS OPERATION WERE NEGOTIATED IN THE MONTH OF MAY. SUBSEQUENTLY, IT WAS AGREED WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS, VERBALLY, TO RECEIVE THE YOUNGSTERS THAT HE WOULD SEND FROM THE ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY UTAH. THE CHARGE WAS TO BE $2,000.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT (MONTHLY) WHO WOULD GET ROOM AND BOARD IN THE HOUSE AT 94-?A? CONSTITUTION STREET IN AJIJIC. FROM THE VERY BEGINNING, MR. ROGERS DIDN?T PAY THE AGREED AMOUNT OF TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS, THE AGREED UPON AMOUNT. INSTEAD HE PAID ONLY $500.00 U.S. DOLLARS PER STUDENT. THE CONTRACT WAS NEVER FORMALLY LEGALIZED WITH THE UTAH ABUNDANT LIFE ACADEMY. WE WAITED FOR HIM TO RECTIFY THE SITUATION, BUT HE DID NOT RESPOND.

FOR THAT REASON AND REQUIRING MORE PERSONNEL TO PROVIDE BETTER CARE FOR THE YOUNGSTERS, MR. CRAIG ROGERS WAS ASKED TO PROVIDE THE INFORMATION AS TO THE INCOME IN UTAH AS WELL AS THE CONTRACTS THAT HE MADE WITH THE PARENTS. HE DIDN?T PAY ATTENTION TO OUR REQUEST AND THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? CONTINUED TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE YOUNGSTERS. VARIOUS CONSULTANTS VISITED THE INSTITUTION IN JUNE AND JULY AND WILL CONFIRM THE EXCELLENCE OF OUR SERVICE.

THE REPRESENTATIVES OF THE ASSOCIATION OF VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA WERE NOT SATISFIED WITH THE STAFF THAT MR. CRAIG ROGERS HIRED FOR THE GUIDANCE OF THE YOUNGSTERS, THEY WERE PEOPLE WITHOUT EXPERIENCE IN THIS TYPE OF PROGRAM, SPECIALLY MR. JOHN NIELSEN WHO HAS A BAD RECORD IN HIS PREVIOUS JOBS. THIS IS DOCUMENTED IN THE ARCHIVES OF A WORLD KNOW ASOCIATION CALLED ?YOUTH WITH A MISION? A.R. IN CHAPALA, JALISCO (YWAM, JALISCO) WITH A WEB SITE http://www.ywamguadalajara.com.

FOR THESE REASONS, WE INFORMED MR. CRAIG ROGERS AS TO THE SITUATION ABOVE MENTIONED WAS DAMAGING THE IMAGE OF THE SCHOOL AS WELL AS THE SUBSTANCE HE WAS PUTTING AT RISK THE EDUCATION OF THE YOUNGSTERS. MR. ROGERS DIDN?T RESPOND TO THIS AND INSTEAD HE FOCUSSED IN FINDING AN INVESTOR FOR ?HIS? BUSINESS. HE NEVER LET US KNOW ANY OF THIS. HE ASKED FOR THE BOOKS OF OUR CORPORATION, WHICH WAS DENIED BECAUSE WE HAD NO LEGAL OBLIGATION TO DO THIS. THEREFORE MR. ROGERS DECIDE TO GO TO THE ACCOUNTANT?S OFFICE AND WITH THREATS TRIED TO GET THEM (THERE ARE WITNESSES OF THIS FACTS). BEING ANNOYED BY NOT GETTING THE RECORDS HE ORDERED MR. JOSUE ROMAN APARICIO TO GO FROM THE PROPERTY RENTED BY OUR CORPORATION SLANDERED AND THREATED HIM.

WHEN THE SITUATION GOT TO THIS POINT WE DECIDED FOR THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CHILDREN, TO PUT OUR CORPORATION ON SALE TO MR. ROGERS BUT HE COULDN?T PAY. THAT IS WHY THE MEMBERS OF ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE TO LEAVE THE PROPERTY WE HAD RENTED AND PROCEED LEGAL ACTION BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN TAKEN IN AN ILLEGAL MANNER.

WE WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THERE IS NOT AND THERE WAS NEVER WAS DURING THE FIVE AND A HALF MONTHS OF OPERATION ANY CONTRACT WITH MR. CRAIG ROGERS TO PROMOTE OUR SERVICES THROUGH THE INTERNET, A WEB PAGE ?ABUNDANT LIFE ACEDEMY? WHERE HE APPOINTS HIMSELF AS THE DIRECTOR OF OUR SCHOOL IN MEXICO AND THE ACADEMY OF ABUNDANT LIFE OF UTAH. BY THE SAME TOKEN, IT NEVER EXISTED ANY CONTRACT WITH HIM FOR HIS SERVICES. EVERYTHING WAS DONE BY COMMON AGREEMENT, HOPING THAT HE WOULD CLEAR OUT THE FINANCING STATEMENTS OF HIS BUSSINES IN THE UNITED STATES.

SOME OF THE PARENTS, AS WELL AS SOME AMERICAN RESIDENTS THAT ARE NEIGHBORS OF THE ?ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA? HAVE SPOKEN TO MR. JOSUE APARICIO TO SHOW THEIR SUPPORT AND ALSO TO EXPRESS THEIR DISATISFACTION WITH MR. JOHN NIELSEN?S ATTITUDE AND THE LACK OF MORALITY AND ETHICS FROM MR. CRAIG ROGERS. THEY HAVE ALSO ASKED HIM TO SUPPORT US IN ANY SITUATION THAT WILL CARRY ON IN THE FUTURE.

WE ARE REALLY SORRY FOR WHAT UNFORTUNATELY IS HAPPENING NOW, HOWEVER WE ARE AVAILABLE FOR ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REQUIRED OR DESIRED.

abundantlifeacademyatlakechapala@yahoo.com.mx

SINCERELY,

ACADEMIA VIDA ABUNDANTE DEL LAGO CHAPALA, S. DE R.L.

ADMINISTRATOR

ATTY. PATRICIA BETANCOURT RAMIREZ

GENERAL MANAGER

CPA JOSUE R. APARICIO GOMEZ

AUTHORIZED REPRESENTATIVE

IRELENA MONGE BETANCOURT

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Craig, any truth to the allegations made about the staff, specifically, Mr. John Nielson? Who is this guy and why would these people allege he has a bad record in the industry if they didn't have documentation to support such a claim? Second, Karen Burnett has made many posts (since erased) on this forum many of which were aimed at disparaging the character and reputation of Carey Bock. These posts were vicious and served no better purpose than to try and intimidate Ms. Bock into silence. Why? What did Bock know that Ms. Burnett did not want revealed on a public forum? Back-biting is not the way to boost one's reputation and credibility. The truth is what counts, for better or for worse.

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