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Sex with Ghosts
LeighBright:
People of "my ilk"? Oh, okay. I see what's happening here. You have some pre-conceived notion of how Christians think and behave, so therefore, my stating a belief in Christianity somehow makes me all of these things in your head.
And why did I quote Queer Nation? Why shouldn't I? Are you saying that because I'm a Christian believer I'm not allowed to quote a gay activist organization? Is that one of your "all believers do this" rule?
Man! I think it's time you crow-barred that closed mind you have open and try seeing people for who they are - rather than judging them through your personal biases.
Anonymous:
It's a common error of ignorant people to discredit a person on all counts based on point.
I don't know how to elevate people's critical thinking skills, but I wish someone would. It is tiring to listen to ingnorance at ad nauseum on this thread and others.
Europe, for one, is so far advanced in this area than are Americans. I fear that the EU will succeed at their plan to become the next economic super power based on this factor alone. Americans are grossly undereducated, especially in critical thinking.
Americans do have guns, however. Dumb Americans with guns. I don't know how noble that is, but it may be all we got.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-05-15 20:23:00, LeighBright wrote:
"People of "my ilk"? Oh, okay. I see what's happening here. You have some pre-conceived notion of how Christians think and behave, so therefore, my stating a belief in Christianity somehow makes me all of these things in your head.
--- End quote ---
Are you trying to tell me that the Christian Church has changed their views on homosexuality? Did they remove Sodom and Gomorra from the bible?
"Don't pretend this is because you're Christian. It's because you're an extremist and you would be treated exactly the same if you were hawking the Kabbala or the Gyuto Tantra. Is religion the acceptable resource in some cases? Absolutely. But in this situation neurology has already filled in the blanks. Be here, be Christian, but stop misleading people."
--- Quote ---And why did I quote Queer Nation? Why shouldn't I? Are you saying that because I'm a Christian believer I'm not allowed to quote a gay activist organization? Is that one of your "all believers do this" rule?
--- End quote ---
Oh, come on... You were just asking for someone to say something about that! I think that's why you posted it as your rebuttal in the first place. You want to be able to blame people for not agreeing with you, or not seeing your point of view, on: "Because you're a Christian."
--- Quote ---Man! I think it's time you crow-barred that closed mind you have open and try seeing people for who they are - rather than judging them through your personal biases.
--- End quote ---
"Don't pretend this is because you're Christian. It's because you're an extremist and you would be treated exactly the same if you were hawking the Kabbala or the Gyuto Tantra. Is religion the acceptable resource in some cases? Absolutely. But in this situation neurology has already filled in the blanks. Be here, be Christian, but stop misleading people."
idioteque:
Well, whoever the last anon was thinks I'm quotable. Let's not stray from the issue. You presented a book that contains some obscure and extreme views, do you agree? And as my previously double-quoted statement asserts, it was the nature of those views rather than the source.
I'm going to be very ineloquent about this because I don't think it needs flowery language. Christianity is far from a terrible religion. It's merely that, a religion. There can be no doubt in anyone's mind that the humanitarian efforts of Christians the world over have improved the quality of life for countless people in developing nations. Moreover, the doctrine itself is famous for giving new hope to previously hopeless individuals.
It isn't your religion that was attacked for this book, because your religion (or the overwhelming majority of those who practise it) is not overtly concerned with "devilry" and other bogie-men that threaten its sanctity and that of those who follow it. This book is shit. Pure, fucking shit. But Christianity, the teachings of Jesus, and the Bible itself? For those they help, there can be no better.
LeighBright:
Yes I do agree that the book does have what could be called extreme (or even radical) views. And despite all of this hassle over that suggestion - I did so because the topic reminded me of the book and vice-versa.
However, the topic, having sex with ghosts could also be called "obscure and extreme" too - which makes this back and forth all the more silly.
And I disagree when you say it wasn't my religion that was attacked. Everyone was treated with tolerance and respect for their suggestion, except of course, for me, who was specifically singled out on points of religion.
So whether you or I think the book is poo or not wasn't the point. It was to tell the poster about this book I read that reminded me of the topic and I left it up to the poster to decide whether they wanted to read the book or not.
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