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GregFL:
i have good reason to believe Art Barker never spent time at Synanon.  All I can say right now is this is the result of intensive personal research.

However, Art Barker claimed in the press "13 years of interest in juvenile drug prevention" back when the Seed had only been around 2 years, and there was decidedly synanon style "treatment" At the seed in addition to the warped AA idelogoy.


I remember Cliff saying he knew Art in New York when they were at _________ treatment center. There were already several Synanon spinnoff treatment centers in the region and I believe Art must have done a stint there or at the very least one of his early insiders did and brought the techniques with him. In addition, there are reports that Art had a personal fascination with "hitler youth", but the fascination was the mobilizing of the kids, not the nazi overtones. Art was fond of calling it the "seed army".

Anyone else remember?  The memory is old and I need independent confirmation. I really need help in confirming where Art learned these synanon techniques.


HELP



[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-02-29 19:20 ]

FueLaw:
Sorry Greg I can't answer your question but I have a feeling your hunch is correct. His backround was in AA so it must of been some of his early staff members who taught him certain techniques and gave him ideas on how to conduct effective cult like brainwashing of children.

The early or original seedlings were probably like guinea pigs to him and the staff. If something worked he kept on doing it if not try something different. After a couple of years he got it down to a science.  By 1973, when you and I went in, he had virtually all of his techniques worked out.

The key to the whole thing is when he was able figure out that he needed get kids isolated away from home for extended periods of time in order for his cult like brainwashing to work. Once he was able to keep people for 24 hours a day the genisis of a cult began to evolve.

The stuff he used to spew about having 12-13 years experience or interest in youth drug prevention was probably just bs he would tell people to build up his credibility.

Anonymous:
I don't know anything about Art's mind control training or AA involvement,but Richard Nixon was in the White House at the time. I do remember he "opened he door to China" during his administration and pulled America out of Vietnam. Reading a bit about the brainwashing techniques that were used in Red China made me see a connection. Only I may be wrong. All I remember reading is that The Chinese had to put bobbed-wire fences around all the parks because people that were involved in Communist brainwashing techniques and undergoing their indoctrination to create the order over there, were hanging themselves from the tree limbs and committing suicide at such a rate they ad to put up a barrier to the trees. Nixon was in 68-75? I don't remember. How did Art get a government grant for this all? Once I had a student keypal from China and we discussed a lot of things. The only thing I couldn't uderstand was she said"How did you get so advanced?" She was still a student and I told her "I was raised a communist here in America in The Seed. I mean not a real communist but I had been sheltered and brainwashed.She too could not speak freely of certain things and I respected that because of the Seed memories. I just felt a connection with her on a friendly level. She couldn't uderstand why there was no Jazz in China. lol It's musical freedom of expression in a succubus type of brand. Great American export. She just had no freedom there. It was like talking with a young seedling sort of. Whether that had anything to do with it all......Nixon,China, Art's training I have no idea,but I don't know how Art got a cool million government grant to expand and experiment? Wish I could help.

GregFL:
Well, here is the rub people.

The person that granted the Seed the grant was Robert Dupont.

Robert Dupont also later became a paid consultant for Straight, Inc.

In a lawsuit against straight filed by one of our own, Robert Dupont testified under oath that

Straight was a linear descendent of Synanon.  

Now, Robert Dupont knew that the Straight was a direct descendent of the Seed.

I hope this helps you guys better understand why I feel a connection exists between synanon and the Seed.  I remember Raps where Cliff was saying things like "This all comes from ________" and he was  mentioning a rehab in New York or in the general area. There were synanon spinoffs in New York such as Daytop.

There is a connection, I just haven't been able to connect the dots, and I need the help of this community.



 

[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-03-10 07:43 ]

Somejoker:
Okay, for those interested. Here is an excerpt and the link for Robert Dupont under oath in a trial against straight, courstesy of my friend Wes Fager:


4 Now, the therapeutic community program is

5 the linear descendent of the earliest of the modern

6 addiction treatments. It started with a program

7 called Synanon in California in 1978 and spread around

8 the country. And here we have Second Genesis and

9 Crossroads and several others in this area, as well as

10 Straight, that provided this kind of treatment, which

11 really had to do with peers working with peers in the

12 program and had to do with confrontation and

13 relatively prolonged periods of treatment.

http://thestraights.com/people/medical- ... t-web4.htm

Other than his obvious mispeak about the date synanon was started (it was not 1978 but the early 60s)Notice he said straight was  a LINEAR DESCENDENT of Synanon. Straight was formed by Seed parents and Seed staffers in St Petersburg Florida when the seed tucked tail and left.

How clear is that?

Now, please help me find the link to how Art Barker obtained these methods.  I know the guy....he didn't think it up on his own.  In other words, Art barker DID NOT REINVENT THE WHEEL, ONLY COPIED IT.  

The question, how and where did he learn of these techniques?




[ This Message was edited by: Somejoker on 2004-03-10 07:45 ]

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