Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Who Am I Discovery/Whitmore
Whitmore Academy in Utah?
Antigen:
Wait a second here. Are we talking about Mark and Cheryl Sudweeks?
This might explain why the former student is having a hard time retrieving their belongings from Canada.
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?to ... t=30#47014
http://cbc.ca/cgi-bin/templates/view.cg ... buse010227
During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What has been its fruits? More or less, in all places, pride and indolence in the clergy; ignorance and servility in the laity; in both, superstition, bigotry, and persecution.
--James Madison, U.S. President
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Antigen:
Eric, can you explain how they get oppositional, troubled teenagers to work like Chinamen and love it? How do they get them to stay there? What stops them from simply walking away? How do the students arrive? Did you bring your kid there yourself or hire a "transport" service?
Time's fun when you're having flies.
--Kermit the Frog
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Anonymous:
"Eric, can you explain how they get oppositional, troubled teenagers to work like Chinamen and love it?"
"Work like Chinamen" is kind of offensive in
these modern days, btw. They work hard because
that is the culture there - everything reinforces
the values of hard work, and rewards it with
positive feedback.
"How do they get them to stay there? What stops them from simply walking away?"
Some of them run away, but they don't get that
far. One of the kids stole one of the school
cars and made it a couple of hundred miles, but
ran out of gas. If your child runs away, you
are responsible for any costs incurred while
trying to find them.
How do the students arrive? Did you bring your kid there yourself or hire a "transport" service?
We went there to look at the place with all
of our kids (we have 3), and then our daughter
went by herself on the plane to Salt lake city.
Mark and Cheryl picked her up from the airport,
because they were on their way to Yosemite
for a camping trip. They forgot to phone us to
tell us that she had arrived safely, so we
spent 48 hours in fear until we got ahold of
somebody at the school - since then I have gotten
more used to their MO, and I trust the system
that they have set up.
Between you guys in this forum and my Mormon-hating friends who just gave me the book
"Under the banner of Heaven" - I spent the day
questioning my own judgement and doubting
Cheryl and Mark. So I dug up everything
Google could find, and it amounts to this:
1. The SPCA charge about leaving the horses with
no food.
I read the court transcripts, and I think that
they screwed up severely. Since I have met
Trinity, Mark and Cheryl, I know for sure
that meant well, because they are nice, animal
loving people. The only thing I can think of
is that all the individuals involved must have
thought that the other person was on the job:
http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL- ... dweeks.htm
The end result is that they lost the horses,
dogs, $124,000 and Mark is never allowed to
own animals in BC again. Pretty severe
punishment, but it was a big mess up, and I
imagine that they learned their lesson. I
can't contact them right now, because they
are at a lake retreat.
2. Alleged co-ownership of "New Hope Academy",
a school in Somoa that was closed because
children were abused and abandoned:
Here is the allegation:
http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf
Here is what appears to be the whole story - it
looks like Mark was not involved, he just
got ripped off by the bad guy:
http://www.teenliberty.org/Samoan.htm
The perp, a scumbag named Steve Cartisano,
seems to have done this a number of times,
and is a slick con man.
Anyway, I am comfortable once again, and I
think that you will be too if you go visit
and see how things work there. We looked
at a second school (forget the name, but
the school was in Hurricane, UT) - it just
did not have the magic that Whitmore has.
The kids were kind of dead inside compared
to the Whitmore kids. Whitmore is a great
place.
Cheers,
Eric
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-10-19 15:32:00, Anonymous wrote:
"How do they get them to stay there? What stops them from simply walking away?"
Some of them run away, but they don't get that
far. One of the kids stole one of the school
cars and made it a couple of hundred miles, but
ran out of gas. If your child runs away, you
are responsible for any costs incurred while
trying to find them.
--- End quote ---
So then, they actively look for kids who run? And what do they do when they find them? Just talk? What? How do they make them go back? How do they discourage them from running in the first place?
--- Quote ---
How do the students arrive? Did you bring your kid there yourself or hire a "transport" service?
We went there to look at the place with all
of our kids (we have 3), and then our daughter
went by herself on the plane to Salt lake city.
Mark and Cheryl picked her up from the airport,
because they were on their way to Yosemite
for a camping trip. They forgot to phone us to
tell us that she had arrived safely, so we
spent 48 hours in fear until we got ahold of
somebody at the school - since then I have gotten
more used to their MO, and I trust the system
that they have set up.
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So then your daughter went voluntarily? Do they take involuntary placements?
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Between you guys in this forum and my Mormon-hating friends who just gave me the book
"Under the banner of Heaven" - I spent the day
questioning my own judgement and doubting
Cheryl and Mark. So I dug up everything
Google could find, and it amounts to this:
1. The SPCA charge about leaving the horses with
no food.
I read the court transcripts, and I think that
they screwed up severely. Since I have met
Trinity, Mark and Cheryl, I know for sure
that meant well, because they are nice, animal
loving people. The only thing I can think of
is that all the individuals involved must have
thought that the other person was on the job:
http://www.animaladvocates.com/ILLEGAL- ... dweeks.htm
The end result is that they lost the horses,
dogs, $124,000 and Mark is never allowed to
own animals in BC again. Pretty severe
punishment, but it was a big mess up, and I
imagine that they learned their lesson. I
can't contact them right now, because they
are at a lake retreat.
2. Alleged co-ownership of "New Hope Academy",
a school in Somoa that was closed because
children were abused and abandoned:
Here is the allegation:
http://www.isaccorp.com/wwasp/documents/wwasplist.pdf
Here is what appears to be the whole story - it
looks like Mark was not involved, he just
got ripped off by the bad guy:
http://www.teenliberty.org/Samoan.htm
The perp, a scumbag named Steve Cartisano,
seems to have done this a number of times,
and is a slick con man.
Anyway, I am comfortable once again, and I
think that you will be too if you go visit
and see how things work there. We looked
at a second school (forget the name, but
the school was in Hurricane, UT) - it just
did not have the magic that Whitmore has.
The kids were kind of dead inside compared
to the Whitmore kids. Whitmore is a great
place.
Cheers,
Eric
"
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I sincerely hope you're right. But I can't fathom being so trusting of strangers w/ my own daughter. I have no reason to doubt the kid(s) who've posted here about verbal and physical abuse at Whitmore. And it seems that Mark and Cheryl's names come up pretty frequently in the context of typical troubled parent industry excesses.
Babylon in all its desolation is a sight not so awful as that of the human mind in ruins.
-- Scrope Davies: Letter to Thomas Raikes, May 25, 1835.
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Anonymity Anonymous
Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps.
Anonymous:
"So then, they actively look for kids who run? And what do they do when they find them? Just talk? What? How do they make them go back? How do they discourage them from running in the first place?"
I don't know the details on how runaways are
handled - basically it is a pleasent place,
and the kids don't want to run away for the
most part. The school is not for "hard case kids"
with serious drug problems and such like,
so they can afford to make it a pleasent (non
prision like) environment.
Would you prefer that they *don't* actively
look for kids that run away? That sounds
like crazy talk.
"I sincerely hope you're right. But I can't fathom being so trusting of strangers w/ my own daughter. I have no reason to doubt the kid(s) who've posted here about verbal and physical abuse at Whitmore. And it seems that Mark and Cheryl's names come up pretty frequently in the context of typical troubled parent industry excesses."
I never saw their name come up once, anywhere
but this thread. Can you give me some examples?
The International Survivors Action comittee
(http://www.isaccorp.org/) does not list them
as one of the suspect schools.
The reason that I trust them is that I have
met them, and talked to my daughter (away
from the school, after two months). My
daughter would prefer to stay there for the
rest of high school, but we can't afford that,
so she will either home school or go back
to the Waldorf school when she gets back.
I think that I can tell when people have
been abused, and there is absolutely no way
that these kids could have been abused
at the school.
You have to trust others with your kids at
some point, if only when they go to college.
Cheers,
Eric
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