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steppin into that ol river again(current observations, re-articulations)

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Froderik:

starry-eyed pirate:
And what of the Hindu's Karma then... cause that concept's gotta be pretty old...? ...And involves a concept of ego...right ?  Maybe it makes sense though, if the Indus valley is one of the worlds first civilized places ... I think Gobekli Tepe is 12,ooo years old !  People were settlin into small farming communities in what is now southern Turkey about 10,000 BCE.  I think Jaynes says that the Bicameral consciousness functioned well up until the time when a series of natural disasters, which created hordes of foreign refugees mixing together, coinciding with the development of writing, and especially the use of metaphor, which taught people to be objective in the absence of their personal authority archetype(personal gods) which in turn then led to the development of the modern consciousness of self-awareness and ego...  To Jaynes when ancient cultures practiced rituals with mummies the tribe was involved in a kind of a group hallucination that was very real to them.  A kind of a social entrancement so as to commune with the personal authority archetype(personal gods)... but Jaynes says that as civilizations developed the bicameral consciousness began to fail and slowly over time the gods were lost to most and could only be reached through those who were still bicameral, the prophets and the oracles and these types ... the schizophrenics ... channeling the Word, the Logos ...

starry-eyed pirate:
...and if you think it about it much, it seems like humanity would never have ever mede it this far if our modern form of consciousness had much history.  It makes sense that it's a construct.  The brain is really quite malleable and can be easily modified to adapt to varying social and environmental conditions.  Jaynes says that the modern consciousness is a response to social and environmental conditions and that it is only about 5,000 years old, so before that people didnt have to wrestle with heavy moral dilemmas because they weren't capable of sophisticated intentional manipulation and whenever they were challenged by novel social or otherwise stressful situations their brain would react by creating a hallucination which spoke to the person and gave him direct guidance.  Jaynes even provides scientific analysis of the structure of the brain as evidence to support his theory and says that schizophrenia is a remnant form of the bicameral consciousness.   

starry-eyed pirate:
So in a way, it's like sayin that up until about 5,000 years ago everyone was naturally capable of having schizophrenic-like-God hallucinations and receiving auditory hallucinations at the same time... and it seems like there were a lot of personal gods in the ol days and ancestor worship was common around the world before writing was invented and the cities were built.  There are no clear demarcations in the evolution of consciousness.  The group evolves, only as an individual adaptation becomes established in the general population.   

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