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« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2004, 05:02:00 PM »
All those statistics don't even begin to approach the number of lives saved by antibiotics, vaccinations, sanitation and all other innovations that allowed Western medicine to get to be able to kill those people!!!!

Again, one statistic says it all:  life expectancy rises where the scientific method thrives (and where economic inequality is minimized, particularly by
ACCESS TO WESTERN HEALTH CARE!!!) and doesn't where it does not.

Chinese medicine never made the advances that allowed life expectancy to double, nor did any other "traditional" culture.  It is only the scientific method that allows treatment to get better over time.

Ironically, as a result of the triumph of the scientific method, we have become more afraid of the risks from Western medicine than we are of the risks of not using it-- which are dramatically greater.  Don't even get me started on lives saved by eradicating smallpox, polio vaccination, etc. -- compared to the 1 in a million chance of harm from those.  And yes, when you vaccinate a 100 million, you'll get those 1 in a million deaths and disabilities and those are a tragedy, but they don't change the fact that you prevented thousands of others.

And in terms of using diet and exercise for preventions-- that's very nice, but human beings have a seriously hard time changing their behavior and the idea that we'd all live forever if only we'd eat right and exercise has truth to it-- but so does the fact that we, nonetheless, for a variety of reasons, won't do it!!!  Those "preventable" deaths look preventable on paper-- if only all those smokers would just quit, if only everyone would use condoms, if only kids wouldn't take dumb risks-- but in reality, people's behavior is far harder to change than "just stop" or "just do it"  Not to say we shouldn't try-- but
alternative medicine isn't going to work if people  (and this clearly is the majority) don't want to change their lifestyles.

It looks nice on paper, but in reality, crisis medicine is more effective because it deals with how people actually behave, not how we think they should.

And if we want to learn better about changing people's behavior-- ie, helping kids make better and healthier choices-- we're going to have to use the scientific method to sort the wheat from the chaff of all these harmful methods.

Ignore it, and you are simply putting your anecdotes of pain up against their tales of success-- and you can't tell anything real about which are more common.  Use it, and you can rapidly find out what harm is being done and what stuff might help.

Sure, it's not perfect, but it's a damn sight better than "I had a wonderful time" "I had a terrible time" ad infinitum
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« Reply #16 on: January 19, 2004, 06:34:00 PM »
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They are moving from "oppressive dictators" to "benevelent dictators". It's a step!



Call me a cynic but I see this as a ploy by SCA and its "progressive directors" to get their names in the paper in a positive light for a change.  If the kids are offered the treatment after the trial it will probably be as one of the optional extras that cost a fortune (with a high mark-up for SCA).



I cannot see many parents paying to decrease their kid's stress level.  After all, the whole point of sending them there is to increase it.  If they want to decrease their stress levels they only have to bring them home."


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« Reply #17 on: January 19, 2004, 06:36:00 PM »
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On 2004-01-18 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:

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Maybe this is the wave of the future?



http://www.teensincrisis.net



http://wwwdrjudynmd.com



Both connected with Judy Hutt, NMD

Tuscon, Arizona



 :???: "

Anybody know how this lady got involved in the teen help industry?  
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« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2004, 09:28:00 PM »
Deborah, some of your information is old.  Accidental gun deaths per year in the US have decreased steadily since 1900.  Last I checked, they had broken 1,000/yr. on the way down.

I don't know offhand about your medical information.
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« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2004, 10:57:00 PM »
I'm going to assume the stats were accurate for both--in the year the thing was written. If you have anything contrary, post it up.
I didn't do the research and write that revealing piece. Not sure who the credit goes to.
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« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2004, 08:35:00 AM »
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On 2004-01-19 15:36:00, Anonymous wrote:

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On 2004-01-18 16:21:00, Anonymous wrote:


"Deborah,





Maybe this is the wave of the future?





http://www.teensincrisis.net





http://wwwdrjudynmd.com





Both connected with Judy Hutt, NMD


Tuscon, Arizona





 :???: "



Anybody know how this lady got involved in the teen help industry?  

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This lady apparantly has/had a child in a wwasp program. The statement "please mention code # when calling" on her teensincrisis website is her teen help referral code. That's how she got involved.
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« Reply #21 on: January 24, 2004, 01:26:00 PM »
This is true.  Judy Hutt is a naturopathic physician and saw the positive aspects of this program for her family.  

Many people find that mainstream therapy doesn't work.  Medication may cover the symptoms, but this program helps the families find a way to heal without medication.  It's certainly much harder to do it yourself and not rely on meds, but the results last a lifetime, not just a temporary fix.  Good for you Judy!
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« Reply #22 on: January 24, 2004, 04:02:00 PM »
Judy is obviously not a holistic practicioner. The overt BM techniques admitted by parents and the manuals are not conducive to a person's well-being. The covert (allegations) are definitely harmful. She is seriously misguided, perhaps desperate herself at one point, and perhaps now swayed by the potential of earning money by refering other parents.
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« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2005, 12:03:00 AM »
I wonder where her kids are and how/what they're doing while she's busy "doctoring" others and collecting referral fees for sending other families' troubled teens to rehab boot camps.....
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« Reply #24 on: June 07, 2005, 02:09:00 PM »
Spring Creek Community School was created and run by Steve and Nancy Cawdrey from the earlier 1980's until it was sold to Bob Litchfield and Teen Help in 1997.

I was a graduate from SCCS in 1985 and, while rugged and very different, nothing like what I've heard of these other places.

I might start a topic on SCCS to see if any other alumni are lurking about.
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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2006, 07:07:27 PM »
I did a short internship at Spring Creek Community School in 1987 -- I was essentially a jr. staffer from January til around August.

It was a very different place than the current accounts of "Spring Creek Lodge."  There were maybe 50-60 students (hard to remember exactly), with a generous staff/student ratio.  The focus was on experiential/adventure education and community.  There were lots and lots of group therapy type sessions and a regular school curriculum.  All the kids went on a 3 week "survival" trip that was a sort of detox/system shock, followed by a 3 week "challenger" trip where they kayaked, hiked, and rock climbed, with lots of "group" along the way.  I participated in both and it was a remarkable experience.  The Cawdreys were kind people who cared deeply about the kids.  The staff was a funky assortment of teachers, counselors, therapists, an older British couple (the husband had flown Spitfires in WWII), a nurse, a few ex-hippie types, a few creeps.  The food was obnoxiously healthy, but plentiful.  The kids were, well, troubled kids with widely varying backgrounds and problems.  Some reacted well to the program and made great progress, some had gone through such horrible things prior to coming there I didn't think they had much hope.  While I did hear a few stories about kids being "escorted" to the school, they had a lot more freedom than it sounds like the kids in these schools today have. They wandered the woods, worked in the scraggly garden, played frisbee and volleyball.  The "Hobbit" hut currently described as a detention facility was, in those days, cramped but cozy staff housing.  A lanky guy named Randy who taught drafting (and I think math) lived in it.

Anyway, while I can't speak to the long-term effectiveness of the program because of the extremity of the problems some of the kids had and what happens when people go from productive, caring, therapeutic environments back to the people and places where they were at their worst, I can attest that SCCS was a good place.  It makes me sad and angry to see what is happening on that land under the new name and new management.
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