Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Spots and Deberahs Family Dynamics?
Anonymous:
What you want to do is stick them in a cozy little pigeon hole titled Non Custodial Parent - so you can reinforce your thought reformed notion that its only dysfunctional, non custodial parents who have a problem with the program.
I'm not Spots or Deb, but I'd like you to know, I've been married to the same man (and happily so) for 22 years. We had full custody of our son when we sent him to the program.
We discovered the program wasn't at all what it was supposed to be; and we strongly disapprove.
I maintain we were manipulated and lied to by the program, over and over and to extreme degrees.
I maintain my son was seriously underfed. His health was seriously neglected. He was subjected to painful restraint b/c he asked for a bathroom break while in OP. Lets talk about OP - 12 hours a day, on his knees, face to the wall, hands behind his back. Or, flat on the concrete, face to the floor, hands behind his back - for 12 hours a day. He had three days of this. Some kids gets months of it. Think about that a moment will ya - Months of this.
He had to listen to his friends screaming in pain on many occasions.
All of this, I very deeply resent and regret.
What pigeon hole have you got ready for me?
Anonymous:
To the mom - I'm not the anon that started this thread- aand I can't see the point either. I will ask you why you feel you were lied to and manipulated by "the program?" Is this what your son said to you or you know this for a fact? No accusations, just a question for clarification.
spots:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 18:24:00, Anonymous wrote:
"To the mom - I'm not the anon that started this thread- aand I can't see the point either. I will ask you why you feel you were lied to and manipulated by "the program?" Is this what your son said to you or you know this for a fact? No accusations, just a question for clarification. "
--- End quote ---
OK, like WAY implicit in this "question" is ...how can you believe the little shit? FWIW, we have been astounded at the concurrence of information received from our grandaughter and all the other (literally 100's as opposed to the "1000's" blithely quoted as successful WSWASPSies) kids I have found in the last year+.
It is a sad parent whose first instinct is to accept a statement from his child with disdain, and instead go for the statement of the facility which has incredible fortune to gain by keeping your child until "he's cooked".
I think a pertinent fact to consider is that WWASPS parents tend to distrust their children IN EVERY SINGLE DETAIL, and believe strangers without credentials other than the need to prolong incarceration for money. TELL THEM WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, i.e., I was right sending this kid off because I always knew, from birth, that he was a little shit, and IT'S NOT MY FAULT!! Being able to copulate on some breezy romantic night and procreate does not make you a good parent...a parent maybe, but never a good parent. Were you all spawned from such a family yourselves, that you inherently hate, distrust, and condemn your own offspring? Is this the legacy of your own parents? Did they hate you too, and try to set up traps to catch you and force "change" to their personal limited way of thinking? Is your way of "loving" them limited to lock-step following of your own rather hateful program? If you were "lower class", would you beat them up instead of sending them off to let someone else beat them up for money?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 18:10:00, Anonymous wrote:
"What you want to do is stick them in a cozy little pigeon hole titled Non Custodial Parent - so you can reinforce your thought reformed notion that its only dysfunctional, non custodial parents who have a problem with the program.
I'm not Spots or Deb, but I'd like you to know, I've been married to the same man (and happily so) for 22 years. We had full custody of our son when we sent him to the program.
We discovered the program wasn't at all what it was supposed to be; and we strongly disapprove.
I maintain we were manipulated and lied to by the program, over and over and to extreme degrees.
I maintain my son was seriously underfed. His health was seriously neglected. He was subjected to painful restraint b/c he asked for a bathroom break while in OP. Lets talk about OP - 12 hours a day, on his knees, face to the wall, hands behind his back. Or, flat on the concrete, face to the floor, hands behind his back - for 12 hours a day. He had three days of this. Some kids gets months of it. Think about that a moment will ya - Months of this.
He had to listen to his friends screaming in pain on many occasions.
All of this, I very deeply resent and regret.
What pigeon hole have you got ready for me?
"
--- End quote ---
How did you hear of the program? Did you personally visit the program before agreeing to place your son there? How long was your son in the program? What did you do after you concluded he was being maltreated (e.g. take him out and bring him home?) and how is he doing now?
:wave:
Anonymous:
WWASPS helps the whole family, they do not just focus on the child. So the parents can't blame it all on the kid. Let me see a small handfull of real disgruntled parents compared to thousands of satisfied parents. BTW family dynamics do matter, how many parents are mad at a Behavior Modification Program because it is an extension of a custody battel, it really is a good question. I am just wondering why you are avoiding it? Do you have custody?
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