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Carey:
Q.  Since the initiation of PURE in February 2001, have you referred to schools other than those that you've listed?

A.  Yes.  I use to refer to XXXXX XXXXXXXX and I no longer refer to them.  Let me think, Oh, XXX XXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX, that was the one I was thinking of, is one that I refer to.

Q.  Oh, thats a present referral?

A.  I'm sorry, yeah, that is a present one.  It just came to mind because I'm trying to remember.  I used to refer to XXXXXXX XXXXX.

Q.  Any others that you can recall?

A.  I'm thinking.  No, I don't think so.

Q.  Of those programs that you presently refer parents to--

A.  Uh-huh (affirmative.)

Q.  do you know programs other than XXX XXXXXXXX that use offshore or international campuses?

A.  You mean XXX XXXXXXX XXXXX XXXXXXXXXX that go to Costa Rica?  Is that what you are speaking of?

Q.  Right.

A.  Okay.  And I have to look at the list again.  That use offshore?

Q.  Yes.

A.  No.

Q.  So XXX XXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX is the only one that you are aware of that uses--

A.  That goes--

Q.  That has campuses that is not in the United States?

A.  That is correct.

Q.  Do you know why they use that campus?

A.  They just do it in the beginning, it's a breakdown for the child.  They bring them over to--

Q.  Its What?

A.  It's like their initial, when they first enter the program, I think, I beleive it's, is it that or -- I didn't look into XXX XXXXXXX.  Donna had looked at them and I don't recall.  It's either--I'm trying to think if that was the program that did it during--once they have to earn a privilege to go out there.  I don't recall.  I don't recall, Im sorry.  I don't recall.

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Devlin Graves:
this is not Lon Woodbury's Delusional Parents Board. Since you have the Depo's i am curious to who all Sue Refers to. I have a strange feeling they came from WWASP and i am no longer sure where you alligiances lie. But you miswell tell us who all Sue Refered to Past and Present. One more word here about the all these lawsuits. Everyone is going lawsuit crazy here. One thing here is bankrtcy wont save anyone from damages. It does not cover intintional acts. So who looses you will be paying for the rest of your life even if you file bankrutcy.

Anonymous:
Devlin:

You raise a very interesting point, but the 362 Stay, albeit temporary, would apply even to non-dischargeable debt in a Bankruptcy, until such time as a Bankruptcy Judge grants relief from the Stay.  Given the Adversary Complaints that would be filed in such a Bankruptcy, practical issues may yield a different result then textbook Bankruptcy Law.  Remember, even if the debt is non-dischargeable, the Clerk won't throw themselves in front of Ginger and Carey's attorneys when they bring their petition in for filing.  Dischargeable or not, they still get a Docket Number and they still get temporary protection.

Though I repeat, you raise a very interesting point (I mean that sincerely).

Devlin Graves:
The lawyer reserched this issue big time before suing Mountain Park. They will do anything in order not to pay the suits when they are won. Since the appeal bond is 80%, bankrutcy is the next best bet. But if it can be proven (that is a hard to do). But if you can show the courts proof positive that an action was intitial then bankrutcy will not save you. Example WWASP abusing a kids like they do, Someone posting on a board, and knowing it not to be true. If you can show the courts the proof then that person or organization is FUCKED for LIFE!

Deborah:
***A. It's like their initial, when they first enter the program, I think, I beleive it's, is it that or -- I didn't look into XXX XXXXXXX. Donna had looked at them and I don't recall. It's either--I'm trying to think if that was the program that did it during--once they have to earn a privilege to go out there. I don't recall. I don't recall, Im sorry. I don't recall.***

Kinda shatters the kinder, gentler program notion? Spoken like a true Ed Con. It reminded me so much of the phone interview I conducted with the lovely Ed Con who refered my ex. Hem, haw.... no didn't know they weren't licensed... no didn't know they opened an unlicensed boot camp...  no didn't know about the restriction diet/labor as punishment.... no didn't know about the censored mail and phone calls.... refered based on the owner's reputation. Uh..welll...uh....I hope your son (an A/B student) will get the help he needs so he can be academically successful.  ::bangin::  

Parents who are considering incarcerating their teens should pay attention. This is the reason for asking the hard questions, not only of the ECs but also the programs. Don't settle for vague answers.

Sorry Sue, I don't have anything against you personally, but if you're going to ask parents to trust your "expert" advice, shouldn't you know the intimate details of the facilities you are refering them to?

[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2004-01-04 01:11 ]

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