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Exsafecounselor said in a post,
?As bad as I feel for everyone's individual family situation, I can not help but simply say that have got it all wrong?
It?s very amazing that a ?do-gooder? like you can?t even see the forest through the trees. SAFE = ABUSE!!!
I have one question????.
Would it be legal to operate a program like SAFE in most countries of the world?
Answer: No, it?s illegal because children have rights. It is not ok to abuse children in order to ?help them? regardless of what, you think, it?s abuse. Wake up and smell the pain you created.
Jimmy Carter once said, ?Treatment should never be worse than the drug?
You are part of the problem not the solution, and as long as people like you can justify their abhorrent actions on children, things will remain the same.
Maybe we should start treating you like you treat kids. Maybe we should abuse you, because obviously you need it. You have problems. Common let?s lock you up and treat you worse than an animal. It?s for your own best good.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-01 19:27:00, Anonymous wrote:
What I thought she I read her say was he was that he was her director and that it was a relief being transfered to his house and that he was never abusive to anyone. That's how I remember those posts. Did I misunderstand them?
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I think the only thing you may be missing here is that Ken's possibly suffering from a persicution complex. No one that I know of has ever said publicly that they witnessed Ken being especially abusive while a student or on staff at Elan.
But Matt and Dee both witnessed the same events that took place while Ken (and a lot of other people) happened to be there. And, for some damned reason I can't explain, Ken seems to be very uncomfortable with ppl discussing the events they witnessed while they were together in Elan.
Everybody needs beauty as well as bread, places to play in and pray in, where nature may heal and give strength to body and soul alike.
-- John Muir
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Anonymous:
Exsafecounselor
Oh, sir master may I please take a piss. Oh please sir Exsafecounselor !!!! I got to go real bad?????
?NO BAD DEVIL CHILD!?
You shall not urinate like normal people. I shall control you because you deserve it????..
"YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DESERVE"?? Exsafecounselor
OPINIONS PLEASE............??? ::armed::
Anonymous:
Ginger,
That does make sense and it is quite an interesting point you brought up.
Let me make sure I understand.
1. Nobody has ever said that ken abused anyone while he was a resident or on the staff at Elan.
He has however been accused of just that by people and webmistresses who have no first hand knowledge of just that on many many occasions.
2. ken has been subjected to nonstop innuendo and personal attacks on himself by people and webmistresses who have never met him, never spoken with him and have never heard a corroburated accusation against him of any kind, ever.
3. Many different people may at times see the same set of events differently. This could be especially likely after 25 or 30 years has passed since those events. Yet ken is subjected to innuendo, most recently in your latest post that there is something wrong with him because he may or may not agree or disagree with someone elses interpretation of 25 or 30 year old incidents.
Additionally, ken's opinion of these incidents hasn't even been expressed by him but rather has been inferred by people who are guessing what his opinion is.
Yes, you do make a very good point. Ken may just have a persecution complex of some sort. I'd imagine that when someone has been obviously been being persecuted (If you'll read the Elan forum you will find that it is quite obvious that this is the case) they may develop a "complex" about it.
Yes, a very wise and astute point you have made indeed.
Ginger Said:
"I think the only thing you may be missing here is that Ken's possibly suffering from a persicution complex. No one that I know of has ever said publicly that they witnessed Ken being especially abusive while a student or on staff at Elan.
But Matt and Dee both witnessed the same events that took place while Ken (and a lot of other people) happened to be there. And, for some damned reason I can't explain, Ken seems to be very uncomfortable with ppl discussing the events they witnessed while they were together in Elan. "
SyN:
anti call me.
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