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Lillian Speerbrecker's New Accreditation Agency

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Xerix:
I'm not saying I don't agree. It should be up to the parents as always. And you're right, accreditation should be done through the government, but if the government is not willing to do it, someone has to, right? Third parent accreditation may be a joke in some peoples eyes but as you also said, it should be up to the parents where they send their kids, right? My problem isn't the ethical or controversial nature of this situation and the business that Lillian is trying to make, my problem is this Chelsea girl keeps going around trying to find supporters to "take Lillian down", when she hasn't even done anything yet! She has only talked about doing stuff. Chelsea is going off of partial and false information to try to get people against Lillian, which is unfair to everyone involved.

What Chelsea is doing is harassing Lillian and her partner. If they want to start up an accreditation agency, so what? It's ultimately up to the parents if they send their kids there anyway. All Lillian has planned to do is investigate and write reports on different troubled teen schools, whether good or bad so that the parents can make a better educated decision on if they want to send their kids to said school or not. She has not accredited any schools under her name at all yet. But because her husband works at Midwest, she is using that as a means to blame Lillian for taking "cash for kids" when her agency has been noted as NON-PROFIT several times. Lillian has nothing to do with Midwest. She acts as a "consultant" for them and SUGGESTS things to do to make things better, she does not work for them or receive a paycheck from them. Everything Lillian is doing is on her own, she is not "under anyone's payroll" or anything like Chelsea is trying to make it seem.

She has received incomplete information on what's going on through conversations with Lillian and her partner by means of acting like their friend so they spill what they're doing. They knew what she was doing so they fed her a bunch of bullshit to see what would happen and here ya go!! Look what happened!! Exactly what they thought would happen. Chelsea starting shit because anyone who actually knows her, knows that's the type of person she is. She's not happy unless she's causing SOMEONE drama. And she uses false and incomplete information to try to prove her points without doing her own research to find out exactly what's going on and then she blames everyone but herself for the negative feedback that comes her way.

Xerix:
What takes the cake for me is that Chelsea claimed to be backed and supported against Lillian by HEAL and Cafety, when it truth neither of them support her or are going against Lillian and her partner. Both agencies now quite frankly don't trust and don't want anything to do with Chelsea because they don't want to be dragged into the drama and bullshit that she's causing to everyone. Everyone is exiling her within the TTI Advocacy's because of what she's doing now and has done in the past and the people of Fornits would be smart to do the same, otherwise she will continue to drag people into her delusions.

FemanonFatal2.0:
Seriously... How is having a conversation with you, who made wild accusations against this organization for a post that was posted anonymously construed as an attack? Because it seems to me that what happened here was a deliberate set up. You were obviously sent to troll this forum by Lillian Speerbrecker. You asked the admin what she knew and she told you. That is not an attack. From what I read she only mentioned that HEAL and CAFETY don't agree with Lillian's plans and will explain their respected positions, as has already been done on facebook and through their respective websites.

I support WWASP Survivors because I think they are willing to take the risk to expose the truth, whoever that may be about. Industry trolls are industry tolls which ever way you want to represent them. Notice that any industry troll will tell you how good their program is, how the restraints are for the kid's own good, how there is no abuse at all. All so they can protect their own interests. Believing those lies suggests you must be new here.

If you are really against abuse as you have said you are, you wouldn't be fighting against this org for something so insignificant as a conversation about someone you know, that only makes you an accomplice. Be careful who you associate with because if they go down, you might find yourself going down with them.

FemanonFatal2.0:

--- Quote from: "Xerix" ---And once again Chelsea, you prove that you are nothing but a lying two faced bitch. What happened to "OMG I'm sooo over this *cry cry cry*" I WILL remove you from anything on my site and I will leave you alone as long as you agree to leave me alone... So now you go START looking for people to support you..

Wow.. just wow.. you guys should really get rid of this lying, deceitful, person.

You forget Miss Chelsea, you don't know who you're fucking with. I am watching you and I will keep watching you until you wise up and knock your childish shit off. You want everything to end? How bout YOU end it then....
--- End quote ---

Obviously you dont know how to read timestamps... This was posted when it was said it was going to be posted here.

The post that is linked here is now deleted.

Keep up the wild accusations but you are grabbing at straws here. If WWASP Survivors was going after these people they would have released an official statement, not just commented on a thread you were the only poster on. As well I'm sure since they banned you that they already have your ip address, your location and that of your mobile phone. So I'd just leave it alone before you put yourself in the middle of something you don't need to be implicated in, something that has nothing to do with you and something you are purposefully blowing out of proportion.

Oddly enough, if it weren't for your accusations, no information about Lillian would have even been released. You got the information you were looking for, and you made it clear who you support. Don't see how there is anything more to it than that... Certainly not an attack, or "going after" anyone. If anyone is being dramatic here, it's you my friend.

If you want people to stop talking about Lillian, stop talking about Lillian, and no one will give a flying fuck by tomorrow. It's really that simple.

Xerix:
Since when does going to www.google.com and entering in someones first and last name in the search field and finding them on a public forum supported by Advocates of the TTI being sent here deliberately to troll a forum? Answer me that... and if I'm so stupid as to not be able to read timestamps answer me how I continuously bypassed a ban on a forum? I saw the original post, I saw the timestamp, and I saw the link that posted to WWASP Survivors website, regardless if the thread was deleted you are still raising shit about Lillian and her business. Just leave it alone, that's all I've asked. Wait until you have "proof" that what she's doing is unethical or wrong and THEN raise shit about it, don't do so off of partial information or false truths and claim it as fact.

My only problem from the beginning wasn't what she was doing or even what you, WWASP Survivors, or anyone else that is associated with the TTI or their advocates were doing. My original problem was that information and threads of false and/or partial information are being posted and being directed toward Lillian and her business based off of half wit conversations that took place between the people in question. I don't support Lillian, the TTI, WWASP Survivors, Cafety, HEAL, or any other advocates or schools within the TTI, nor do I know Lillian or even Chelsea or "you" beyond what I've spoken to anyone about regarding this whole situation. So I'm not sure where you're drawing the conclusions from that I somehow am in "cahouts" with Lillian and her business and/or anything else.

My position is as an advocate against people like you who go around spreading false information and basing your own opinions and calling them fact without researching or finding out any information whatsoever beyond what people told you from their own mouth, which could be true or false depending on the situation. Maybe it was a deliberate set up to find out the true nature of Chelsea's involvement and supposed friendship between the people in question. That doesn't change the fact that they were proven right in her actions.

Oh.. as far as my IP address and location, I purposely logged into the forum to begin with on my home computer so they could SEE that I am not Lillian or Whitney and don't live anywhere near them. Any subsequent connection after the original ban to their forums were done through http and telnet proxies so honestly, as far as a "mobile number".. I think not lol.

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