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psy:

--- Quote from: "kakasaka101" ---My first question is Why is it legal. This is parental rights abuse at it's worst. If a parent can not hire someone to rape and kill their children, than what makes hired kidnapping different? I asked people about this and they said that it's not kidnapping because of the parents consent to have these thugs remove their children. That is kidnapping in my book because the kid is taken by surprise by strangers and has no idea where they're being taken. Is there a SCOTUS ruling regarding this?

Sorry but I blame weak child protection laws in this country and state governments labeling kids as their parents property.
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To answer your question, It's probably not legally kidnapping, but this has never been tried in court to my knowledge. I would love to hear a kid break a car windows and scream "i'm being kidnapped" and have the cops arrest and try the escorts, but most kids are in shock while something like this is going on and I'd wager they escorts would probably never be prosecuted anyway. It's one of those grey areas.

psy:

--- Quote from: "Troubled-Teens" ---This is a lawsuit in which modern day slave capturers slash slave shippers are challenged on their presumption to the right of human bondage.

http://caica.org/INDEX%20Lawsuits%20Burke.htm
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Just a small note on Caica: Isabelle Zehnder of CAICA has been known to refer to Ed-con Sue Scheff who in turn refers to facilities where there have been deaths (eg. Red Rock Canyon) and documented abuse (Whitmore Academy).  You can read more on sueschefftruth.com here.  There used to be a warning on isaccorp but now that it is defunct, there isn't as much information as there was in the past.  Whether Isabelle/CAICA still referrs, I do not know, but she has in the past and as such one should be careful when referring parents to her, even indirectly.

Update:
It does seem CAICA now lists whitmore:
http://www.caica.org/Parents%20Harris.htm
Though Sue Scheff still defends it despite the GAO's findings:
http://www.sueschefftruth.com/

So Isabelle now condemn a program she once endorsed (she defended it quite emphatically).  It's good to know she now agrees referrals are a bad idea, but i wouldn't exactly trust her to keep to that as far as I could throw her (which isn't very far).  I wonder if she has apologized to the kids who were abused at Whitmore.

Whooter:
I knew at least a dozen kids who would not go to school if their parents didnt force them or threaten them on some level.
We use to sometimes scream “help” and “we are being kidnapped” out our school bus window on the way to school a few times, for grins, but people would just laugh and point at us because we were in a yellow bus which the townspeople have paid for to transport kids to school.  It didnt matter to anyone that some of us were being transported against our will.  If we were being driven to school in another vehicle other than a bus I think we would have attracted a lot more attention.

So yelling “I am being kidnapped” from an unmarked vehicle would certainly draw attention but as long as the transport agency is licensed and has the parents’ consent I don’t see how it could be considered breaking the law. Also, If transport agencies had a history of abuse I could see being concerned for the kids.



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psy:
When your parents took you to school, Whooter, did they use handcuffs and pepper spray?  If a cop comes across a bunch of guys hauling a bound and screaming kid in the back of their vehicle, you really think nothing is going to happen.  Permission or not, I'm not sure everything they do is legal, and because most people, even cops, are not aware these things take place, it's very likely they would at least be detained and inquiries made.  Prosecution?  Who knows.  Probably not, but if it did it might at least test the law on theses issues.  If it didn't, it would at least cause problems for the transporters.  Of course the real problem here is that kids probably think what the transporters are doing is completely legal when in fact this has never really been tested.  They're taking a kid against his/her will across state lines and that would make it a federal issue if i'm not mistaken.  I'm hardly a fan of the federal government getting involved, but if transporters were ever arrested, I do hope whoever's justice department insists on prosecution to try and set a precedent.

It wouldn't stop parents sending kids to programs. They would just use the tried and true tactic of trickery instead ("we're going on vacation to...  Happy Fun Land in Utah!"), but at least the kids wouldn't be traumatized and humiliated by the transportation experience and the parents would have to actually put up the balls to do the deed themselves (which is a lot of why parents hire these goons).

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