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~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify police
T-Rex:
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--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!! Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
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Personally, I usually just collect and post information and evidence. But sometimes I venture my opinion, large-mawed that it may be. Y'all can make or not make any assumptions y'all want. It's no fur offa my back, that's fer sure...
Speaking of information, here's this curious LinkedIn profile... Looks kinda like the guy wearing that yellow Izod shirt, dontcha think? Know of any treatment programs in Maine back in the early 1980s, that were therapeutic communities and used costumes and clipboards and haircuts and coordinators and whatnot?
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Juan Ferreyra
director ejecutivo at programa ibicuy
Argentina | Mental Health Care
Resumen de Juan Ferreyra
Actual • director ejecutivo en programa ibicuy
Educación • juan xxlll
Recomendaciones • 1 persona ha recomendado a Juan
Contactos • 29 contactos
Sitios web • Sitio web de la empresa[/list]
Extracto de Juan Ferreyra
I am a recovering addict. I underwent rehabilitation and recovery in the US at a treatment program in Maine, Upon completing my recovery in 1982 I returned to my native country of Argentina. My experience served as a model upon which I built a therapeutic community in Entre-Rios about 2 hours out of Buenos Aires, Programa Ibicuy has now been in existance for more than 27 years helping people overcome addiction and recurerate their lives.Especialidades changing peoples lives
Experiencia de Juan Ferreyra
director ejecutivo
programa ibicuy
May 1982 – Present (29 years 10 months)
Educación de Juan Ferreyra
juan xxlll
bachelor
Información adicional de Juan Ferreyra
Sitios web: • Sitio web de la empresa[/list]
Grupos y asociaciones: • Addiction Recovery Professionals[/list]
LinkedIn Corporation © 2011
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Mucho gusto....Ursus, I have to admit that eerily I think many Elanians already knew this. We still have to determine why IBcuy will not admit Elan was the T/C Juan went to. Hmmmmmmm.......This calls for the man who understands the opinions of others who have opined on others opinions. Matt Hoffman will you please step forward and shows us all your ability to opine on others opinions, please.
We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
T-Rex:
--- Quote from: "Muppeteer" ---You may continue to believe I am Wayne all you wish. But it simply isn't the case.
Ursus, thank you for the Wayback's...I saw the very first cache entry had a link to an English version, gone by the second cache.
http://ar.answers.yahoo.com/question/in ... 522AA9YtXf
Check that out if you want. Another one, cheese and rice, translator not going to like me.
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I will and thank you for allowing me. It is simply the case. Actually it is simply sad that you would allow yourself to be caught up in the bullshit of this. What we are witnessing now is your part at deflecting the eyes away from the parody that went on over at Elan Saved My Life.
You could give a rats ass about what Ursus is posting. Ursus does this for every program that is posted here. Never saw you this interested before Muppster. Please spare us your lame attendance to this particular program and corresponding thread.
Impress us and found out why Juan is dodging any inquiry.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
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Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...
Ursus:
Continuing with archived pages from Ibicuy's website from February 1997:
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EL SISTEMA TERAPEUTICO
Una vez más, el programa Ibicuy presenta, también en este campo, aspectos que lo diferencian con claridad de otros sistemas:
Aprobación
No siempre es necesario contar con la aprobación voluntaria del paciente para iniciar el proceso de recuperación. Tratándose de menores de edad, alcanza con la autorización de los padres. Ibicuy posee las características apropiadas —físicas y de organización— para retener sin violencias ni barrotes a los residentes, y la experiencia demuestra que aquéllos que ingresan contra su voluntad tienen casi las mismas posibilidades de recuperación que quienes acuden por propia determinación;
Autoayuda
Con la coordinación y la supervisión necesarias, las técnicas modernas de autoayuda juegan un rol preponderante en la recuperación de los pacientes. Ibicuy insiste en que cada individuo es responsable de su propio comportamiento y organiza a los residentes en grupos que aceptan la ayuda de sus compañeros y devuelven a la vez responsablemente esa ayuda a sus iguales, tanto en las reuniones terapéuticas específicas como a lo largo de innumerables situaciones que surgen en la convivencia diaria.
El personal que coordina y supervisa los grupos no sólo está capacitado en la implementación de la modalidad de la autoayuda, aplicada a recuperación de drogadictos, sino que además incluye miembros que pasaron exitosamente por la experiencia personal de su propia rehabilitación. Esto les otorga una especial idoneidad, ya que cuentan con un conocimiento invalorable para actuar sin ser manipulados ni engañados por los adolescentes en proceso de recobrarse.
Grupos de trabajo
Las dos tareas básicas para un residente son llevarse bien con sus compañeros y aprender a manejar sus fuerzas y presiones internas. En ambos objetivos juegan un rol preponderante las continuas sesiones de trabajo en grupos, en las que los integrantes exponen sus sentimientos, sus temores, sus experiencias y sus fantasías para que puedan ser observados, comprendidos y fortalecidos cuando son positivos o desalentados si son contraproducentes. Por lo general en estas sesiones es donde se descubre la raiz del problema que originó la adicción.
Interacción social
La estructura comunitaria de Ibicuy representa una sociedad en la cual cada residente va aprendiendo de manera práctica su correcta ubicación. Existe una jerarquía de cargos funcionales. El residente nuevo comienza siendo un trabajador común y gradualmente asume cargos de mayor responsabilidad. Luego supervisa a otros trabajadores y puede convertirse en jefe de departamento, aprendiz de coordinador y por último coordinador. Cada responsabilidad adicional le proporciona nuevos derechos y mayores privilegios.
Avances y retrocesos
Los éxitos, los sucesivos logros, son recompensados con promociones a niveles superiores. Por el contrario, la incapacidad para efectuar tareas con iniciativa propia y responsabilidad da lugar a pérdidas de jerarquía.
Estas degradaciones o retrocesos son inevitables, porque numerosas tareas son asignadas deliberadamente en áreas en las que el residente no tiene suficiente experiencia. El sentido de las degradaciones es enseñar a los jóvenes a funcionar en situaciones adversas y a hacer frente a los fracasos, la insatisfacción y el desencanto, pues son parte de la vida misma: no los afectan sólo a ellos sino a todos y todos deben saber sobreponerse. Superada la frustración, el residente comprende que puede volver a empezar cada vez y que puede triunfar sin necesidad de evasiones o estímulos nocivos.
Un Departamento de Evaluación y Control reúne la información diaria y eleva su informe al Director Ejecutivo. Tanto el funcionamiento del conjunto como las actitudes personales y el desempeño individual son seguidos estrechamente para implementar sin demoras ya sea las acciones correctoras como los estímulos.
Desde el ingreso, cada residente es evaluado por un psicólogo que establece su diagnóstico inicial y a partir de entonces va efectuando sucesivos tests de progreso, hasta determinar el alta. El personal y los directivos de Ibicuy mantienen una relación informativa contínua.
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THE THERAPEUTIC SYSTEM
Again, the program Ibicuy show, also in this field, aspects which distinguish it clearly from other systems:
Approval
It is not always necessary to have the patient's voluntary approval to start the recovery process. In the case of minors, achieved with parental consent. Ibicuy has the appropriate characteristics, physical and organizational, to retain without violence or bars to residents, and experience shows that those admitted against their will have almost the same chance of recovery than those who come on their own determination;
Self Help
With the coordination and supervision necessary modern self-help techniques play an important role in the recovery of patients. Ibicuy insists that each individual is responsible for their own behavior and residents organized groups that accept the help of his companions and returned to responsibly while such assistance to their peers, both in specific therapeutic meetings and throughout countless situations that arise in daily life.
The staff that coordinates and oversees the groups are not only trained in the implementation of self-help mode, applied to treating drug addiction, but also includes members who successfully passed by the personal experience of his own rehabilitation. This gives them a special relevance, since they have valuable knowledge to act without being manipulated or deceived by adolescents in the process of recovering.
Working groups
The two basic tasks for a resident are getting along with peers and learn to manage their forces and internal pressures. In both objectives play an important role continuing group work sessions in which members discussed their feelings, their fears, their experiences and their fantasies so they can be observed, understood and strengthened when they are positive or discouraged if they are counterproductive. Usually in these sessions is where you discover the root of the problem resulting in addiction.
Social interaction
Ibicuy community structure represents a society in which each resident learns practically the correct location. There is a hierarchy of functional positions. The new resident begins as a common laborer and gradually assume positions of greater responsibility. Then supervises other workers and can become head of department, apprentice coordinator and finally coordinator. Each additional responsibility provides new rights and greater privileges.
Progress and setbacks
The successes, successive achievements are rewarded with promotions to higher levels. By contrast, the inability to perform tasks on their own initiative and responsibility leads to loss of hierarchy.
These degradations and setbacks are inevitable, because many tasks are deliberately assigned areas in which the resident does not have enough experience. The sense of degradation is to teach young people to work in adverse situations and cope with failure, dissatisfaction and disappointment, they are part of life itself: not only affect them but all and all should know overcome. Overcome the frustration, the resident understands that you can start again each time and you can succeed without evasions or noxious stimuli.
A Department of Assessment and Control gathers daily information and raises its report to the Executive Director. Both the operation of the assembly as personal attitudes and individual performance are followed closely to implement without delay whether corrective actions as stimuli.
From the entrance, each resident is evaluated by a psychologist who established their initial diagnosis and thereafter successive tests is making progress, to determine discharge. Staff and managers have a relationship Ibicuy continuous information.
T-Rex:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---We still also need to find out if Juan actually posted on the, "Elan Saved My Life".
I understand Ursus you have kindly stated you are not inclined to get into the facebook gutter, I respect this. I'm just saying.
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Actually, I have no problem mucking about on Facebook. Didn't mean to imply that, in case I somehow did. It's just that I'm swamped with other stuff right now...
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I've caused enough ruckus about this that I think I should at least apply more of myself. I am asking some others I know to help me come up with a plan to get Juan on record.
But once again we have to deal with some unscrupulous behind the scenes shenanigans. Seems some one has alerted Juan to the going's on around this site for some reason.
This whole deal smells.
I just want to tie this guy to Elan. I think will all know but I want him on record saying it.
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