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~2 dozen Programa Ibicuy residents escape and notify police
T-Rex:
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--- Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman" ---golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,
clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,
denouncing IBICUY videos ,
the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine , Graduates and starts his own Elan in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.
Elan redoux I hope not
Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .
Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .
The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey. hint there are both ducks.
Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........
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Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!! Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
I want a direct connection proven, 100%.
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thank you for your opinion of my opinion.
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Matt it is not a opinion. There is no direct link because IBcuy is saying as of yesterday they are not a direct clone of Elan. All I am trying to do is get others to dig into this also and prove there is a link. If Juan went to Elan then he is lying about it.
Muppeteer:
I don't speak a lick of Spanish, or I just might make that call myself.
However, after watching the videos (you're welcome for the links, lolz) and reading the Portuguese translation of the website, I really don't see how you can argue that it is not connected to Élan. The names of the departments are the same (something I have not seen in other programs with similar dichotomies), the logo, the anecdotal evidence from Juan himself supposedly...not to mention Matt's assessment is in agreement with mine.
Tell you what, my translator friend at work is fluent in Brazillian Portuguese and very proficient in Spanish. If he's willing, we'll make the call next week sometime, or the week after, or maybe next month. I am not going to tip off when that call will come, or under what pretense it will be made.
But as I have said, I do believe they would lie, as they lie about so many things in these programs.
It is not in dispute that a gentleman named Juan Ferreira founded the place, we have that much confirmed by the Argentine press. The only question is which program in the United States did he attend. Is that right?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!! Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
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Personally, I usually just collect and post information and evidence. But sometimes I venture my opinion, large-mawed that it may be. Y'all can make or not make any assumptions y'all want. It's no fur offa my back, that's fer sure...
Speaking of information, here's this curious LinkedIn profile... Looks kinda like the guy wearing that yellow Izod shirt, dontcha think? Know of any treatment programs in Maine back in the early 1980s, that were therapeutic communities and used costumes and clipboards and haircuts and coordinators and whatnot?
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Juan Ferreyra
director ejecutivo at programa ibicuy
Argentina | Mental Health Care
Resumen de Juan Ferreyra
Actual • director ejecutivo en programa ibicuy
Educación • juan xxlll
Recomendaciones • 1 persona ha recomendado a Juan
Contactos • 29 contactos
Sitios web • Sitio web de la empresa[/list]
Extracto de Juan Ferreyra
I am a recovering addict. I underwent rehabilitation and recovery in the US at a treatment program in Maine, Upon completing my recovery in 1982 I returned to my native country of Argentina. My experience served as a model upon which I built a therapeutic community in Entre-Rios about 2 hours out of Buenos Aires, Programa Ibicuy has now been in existance for more than 27 years helping people overcome addiction and recurerate their lives.Especialidades changing peoples lives
Experiencia de Juan Ferreyra
director ejecutivo
programa ibicuy
May 1982 – Present (29 years 10 months)
Educación de Juan Ferreyra
juan xxlll
bachelor
Información adicional de Juan Ferreyra
Sitios web: • Sitio web de la empresa[/list]
Grupos y asociaciones: • Addiction Recovery Professionals[/list]
LinkedIn Corporation © 2011
Muppeteer:
I do not understand why they would divulge the information you seek as proof anyway, why would they admit that they used a 3rd generation abusive cult school as a model for their own program? That makes no sense.
Matt C. Hoffman:
--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---
--- Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman" ---
--- Quote from: "T-Rex" ---
--- Quote from: "Matt C. Hoffman" ---golly Ned ....Ursus ,Oscar ,
clipboards ,headcounts , costumes , screaming ,blasts , Expeditors , Casa ,
denouncing IBICUY videos ,
the rumours are true , Fellow goes to Elan in poland springs Maine , Graduates and starts his own Elan in South America ,smells like a duck ,looks like a duck , quacks like a duck , then why does the duck need a raincoat.
Elan redoux I hope not
Its the same program , a deaf man could tell you that .
Postings by koolaid "guzzlers " and then postings by the denouncers .
The question is it a Mallard or a Muscovey. hint there are both ducks.
Sickening and unbeleivable ,yet a great find Ursus and Oscar , unbelievable ..........
--- End quote ---
Problem, you have not called and verified. OK it is a program I am sure that is as abusive as Elan ever was. But you don't know if Juan went to Elan. We called and it was denied, we were told that Juan F never went to Elan. So we are now suggesting others call.
It has not been proven he went to Elan or he ever said this.
There is no duck story here. You are introducing that theory and it is based on no research at all. Damn!!! Mr.Hoffman you have money make a phone call and back up what you are saying. Maybe you are content with assumptions??
Before we run off and call it a clone of Elan should we not gather more information?
I want a direct connection proven, 100%.
--- End quote ---
thank you for your opinion of my opinion.
--- End quote ---
Matt it is not a opinion. There is no direct link because IBcuy is saying as of yesterday they are not a direct clone of Elan. All I am trying to do is get others to dig into this also and prove there is a link. If Juan went to Elan then he is lying about it.
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Alrighty then , I thank you again for you opinion of my opinion ,and your opinion of your own opinion thats your opinion. "If Juan went to elan then he is lying about it "? ..... that he went to elan ? or that he didn't go to elan ? I am so confused I thought this was about IBICUY, I don't know what IBcuy is.
Then again did elan ever tell the truth about what was really going on in there? My opinion is no.
Again I thank you for your opinion of my opinion ,and well your own opinion of your opinion is , well your opinion isn't it ? rhetorcial and........
Thank you though.
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