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Deborah:
***By the time I got to page 24 it got "stupid!"***

About the time seminars were being debated. Are you denying that Gilcrease is an engineer and his only "qualifications" for "helping" people came through his est/LS training? Set the record straight- if you know. So far, there has been denial about the seminars origins, then they were refered to as "personal growth". That covers alot of territory. Has he departed from his est/LS training to create his own technique/philosophy?

His bio at:
http://www.resourcerealizations.com/ind ... tions.com/

Only mentions:
He has led and developed seminars in management, sales, leadership, and customer service. His programs have been successfully adopted by the Worldwide Association of Specialty Programs.

Previous to starting his own company, David worked as a manager for Sola Ophthalmics, involved in the development and integration of an automated customer service system. His duties included management of all office, phones, and computer systems for a company.

David also worked with Hewlett-Packard as a corporate trainer. While with HP, he developed and taught communications, sales, and management seminars.

As a graduate electrical engineer (BSEE, MSEE), David spent the first eight years of his career in the design of computer hardware and software. His background as worker, manager, and trainer in high-tech industries gives him valuable insight into a client's problems and concerns. His expertise allows him to bring resources to not only the technical sector, but all individuals in a more meaningful fashion, thus having a greater impact in creating real life success.
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Another point made, and ignored, is that parents should be told up front what kind of "personal growth" they're signing up for BEFORE they write the check and make a committment. The RR site mentions nothing about Gilcrease's training in est/LS. I find that deceptive.

I'm not sure any of the current posters here are qualified to answer these questions, as some apparently don't know Gilcrease's history.
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***My purpose to share would be for parents looking for help, not just in RTC's, but in dealing with the chaos in their family,prevention resources and RESPECT for where they are. Is there any possibility of respect here and not depend on links to find things to discuss or tear apart?***

Well, I don't know. What I do know is that I asked if any of you could talk about Gilcrease and/or est/LS and the connection was denied or glossed over. After I posted the links, someone came back with, "What's wrong with personal growth?" The links show there is a connection and offer more detailed information on that approach to personal growth. Unlike the RR website, where the description of the seminar sounds tame compared to ex-participants accounts.
If you consider that disrepectful, a distraction from discussion or tearing things apart; I'd have to wonder why.
Are you denying the creators training or simply would rather it not be known or discussed? He can continue to lead the public to believe that he is skilled in business management and stumbled onto a way to "help" others, including teens. And how are you qualified to answer, unless you are Gilcrease?

This is a debate. There may never be a "resolution" or agreement. How would this debate need to look for you to feel good, comfortable, in control? Confess your agenda.

Anonymous:
Well, it seems the death of Ian August could have been prevented except for a bad judgment call on the part of his apparently inexperienced and ill-equipped field counselors.  This kind of mentality is unacceptable.  Parents need to get proactive and demand the highest standards of care and treatment. Parents have medical insurance to cover their children's healthcare needs while they are residing in these programs, do they not?  So what's the problem?

Anonymous:
Have any of the owners and operators of these programs been awarded advanced degrees in behavioral science/healthcare?  I mean, specialty schools and programs without staff "specially" trained and qualified in behavioral healthcare seems like an oxymoron.

Deborah:
***Well, it seems the death of Ian August could have been prevented except for a bad judgment call on the part of his apparently inexperienced and ill-equipped field counselors.***

Not to take this debate off course, but I followed that case closely because I knew Ian. My opinion is that she was barely qualified to be the lead field counselor and was out there with two other ill prepared helpers. She was trained in the programs method of "flushing out fakers". The method proved to be flawed and Ian died as a result. As an EMT she denied her medical training for that of the program. And had nothing in her bag to treat heat exhaustion on the hottest day of the year.
Based on testimony and other related information, Skyline Journey had 20 or more violations of Utah regs that day. Their license was revoked due to 4 violations, declared by licensing only after the DA filed charges. They were charged with ONE.
That incident is a good example of the general program attitude toward teens. Go to this thread for more discussion:
http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?topic=662&forum=9

Deborah:
***Links and articles are not valuable if they come from thinking they know it all based on what they've read.***

Parents have a manual that outlines the "discipline" procedures/ BM techniques. What many parents are "discovering" is that programs, not just WWASP, impliment procedures that are not spelled out in the manual. And had they been, the parent may not have signed the contract.

The program parents posting here appear to be of the opinion that they are experts and dissenters are not.

Here's a fact: none of us lived there 24/7. The only experts are the kids and staff. Some in this debate choose to consider and listen to the expert ex-participants. Program supporters choose to listen to the 'expert' staff and directors, and trust the parent manual to be an accurate depiction of how their child is being "treated".

In fact, most of what you are posting is what you have been told and want to believe is true. You were not there 24/7.

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