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Anonymous:

--- Quote ---On 2004-01-09 11:08:00, Anonymous wrote:

"At least they're doing something to make a difference besides what we're doing...posting judgment on this board. "

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Speak for yourself, Anon.  I am not anti-family.
I am not a prisoner of YOUR values and beliefs. I am a powerful, intelligent, passionate human being who thinks adults who buy into these seminars as a lifestyle are the same people who can be trained to do just about anything.  Like disregard the fact that parents do not own their children, their thoughts or feelings.  Stop shoving your values and beliefs down the throats of innocent kids under the guise of bringing families back together. Let them grow up without fear of someone profiting from changing their hearts and minds to fit the VISION of old farts
dressed up like new-age gurus.

 :smokin:

Anonymous:
Speak for yourself, Anon. I am not anti-family.
I am not a prisoner of YOUR values and beliefs. I am a powerful, intelligent, passionate human being who thinks adults who buy into these seminars as a lifestyle are the same people who can be trained to do just about anything. Like disregard the fact that parents do not own their children, their thoughts or feelings. Stop shoving your values and beliefs down the throats of innocent kids under the guise of bringing families back together. Let them grow up without fear of someone profiting from changing their hearts and minds to fit the VISION of old farts dressed up like new-age gurus.

 :smokin: now!

Anonymous:
Regarding my comment on "no one to advocate for the kids"--

Family Reps, Counselors, and all other employees of WWASPs who are "treating" the children are imbued with the idea that anything the child does wrong is his fault and any complaint is "manipulation."  You cannot advocate for someone you don't believe.  If you assume a kid who lost 35 pounds is making a choice to starve himself, how do you know whether or not he has an illness?  What if he was anorexic, would you allow that "choice" to lead to his death?  It's not like they are allowed to see doctors.

This exact attitude has caused numerous deaths in prisons, hospitals, all institutions basically where some people have absolute control over others.  

The deaths in the wilderness camps are all cases where complaints of kids (whether it was "I can't breathe" from a 65 pound kid being "restrained" by a 300 pount man sitting on him, who later said he thought the kid was "playing possum" or "I am in pain" from a kid who died of a stomach ulcer that could have been treated with one tagamet if he'd been believed in his first week and who looked like a concentration camp victim when his mom saw his body) were ignored.

People whose first assumptions that children's complaints are lies cannot tell when they are telling the truth-- which is why you need an advocate whose first assumption is that they are telling the truth.

And the "complaint process" at WWASP schools is a joke.  In fact, there's testimony about it in a Tranquility Bay case: a kid who testified told about how when she complained that there was no exercise in OP, she was laughed at and from then on, punitive and excessive amounts of exercise were required in alternation with lying on the floor.

And who is hurt if a "faking" kid gets seen by a doctor?  

So what if it costs extra-- the alternative is erring on the side of disbelief and winding up with kids who die or are severely injured, which has happened and will continue to happen without oversight.

But the WWASP contract explicitly says that cost will be taken into account as a primary consideration when medical care is considered-- and that they should be absolved from liability if this "erring on the side of financial stinginess" results in death or injury.

What kind of parent would sign such a document?

Anonymous:
Family Healing For Free .... whatta concept! Put down those self-help books and program parent manuals.  Unplug yourself from the teen-helper-wannabes.  Invest in your family by curing what is really ailing you, standing in the way of releasing your "inner child". You can do it!  Trust me, thousands of families have overcome this highly contagious disease without spending their kid's college fund or taking a 2nd mortgage out on the FAMILY HOME.  

AFFLUENZA is a groundbreaking film that diagnoses a serious social disease - caused by consumerism, commercialism and rampant materialism - that is having a devastating impact on our families, communities, and the environment. We have more stuff, but less time, and our quality of life seems to be deteriorating. By using personal stories, expert commentary, hilarious old film clips, and "uncommercial" breaks to illuminate the nature and extent of the disease, AFFLUENZA has appealed to widely diverse audiences: from freshmen orientation programs to consumer credit counseling, and from religious congregations to marketing classes.

With the help of historians and archival film, AFFLUENZA reveals the forces that have dramatically transformed us from a nation that prized thriftiness - with strong beliefs in "plain living and high thinking" - into the ultimate consumer society.

The program ends with a prescription to cure the disease. A growing number of people are opting out of the consumer chase,andchoosing "voluntary simplicity" instead. They are working and shopping less, spending more time with friends and family, volunteering in the communities, and enjoying their lives more.

http://www.bullfrogfilms.com/catalog/affl.html

Get out the popcorn and invite the neighbors, your child's friends and your business associates over for an event that is sure to change their lives. No need to bring their checkbook!!!

Anonymous:
It's a start!  Good post.

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