Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Deborah wrote: "But in these schools, there is absolutely no one to advocate for the kids. The parents are told not to believe them. The kids are ignored. The program has its own interests."
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Excuse me? No one to advocate for the kids? Really? Hmmmm. They have a grievance procedure that works. I guess that doesn't count. The facilitators, the family reps, the therapists on staff, advocate for the kids, they advocate for the families. I guess that doesn't count either since they are paid for doing what they love. Other parents advocate for the kids.
I know you are comparing other programs with wwasps, but until you have inside knowledge and experience, save the inuendos and guesses. You really have no clue.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-06 10:57:00, Anonymous wrote:
"when my kid wrote home he was starving; and all they fed him was beans and rice; it was true.
He lost something akin to 25 lbs in four months; eating everything he could get his hands on.
Yes, ignoring what your kids tell you is stupid alright; but its what you do."
--- End quote ---
Why did your son only choose to eat rice and beans? Sounds like a self-imposed pity party to be rescued from having to follow rules. Sorry about the judgment - but I've seen it work too many times to get what they want.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-07 21:47:00, Anonymous wrote:
"Deborah wrote: "But in these schools, there is absolutely no one to advocate for the kids. The parents are told not to believe them. The kids are ignored. The program has its own interests."
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Excuse me? No one to advocate for the kids? Really? Hmmmm. They have a grievance procedure that works. I guess that doesn't count. The facilitators, the family reps, the therapists on staff, advocate for the kids, they advocate for the families. I guess that doesn't count either since they are paid for doing what they love. Other parents advocate for the kids.
I know you are comparing other programs with wwasps, but until you have inside knowledge and experience, save the inuendos and guesses. You really have no clue. "
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Bravo, Bravo, Bravo, Beautifully Put. The critics claim to be experts in this industry but have no experince, go figure. :nworthy: :nworthy: :tup: :tup: :tup:
Deborah:
*** Deborah wrote: "But in these schools, there is absolutely no one to advocate for the kids. The parents are told not to believe them. The kids are ignored. The program has its own interests." ***
You have misquoted. An anon made that comment. I happen to agree, with one exception- I don't refer to or consider these facilities to be "schools".
Still wondering why it matters and why you all have such harsh judgments about parents who choose to remove their children, and teens who report abuse. No system in the real world relies on the staff accused of abuse to confirm or dispell it.
[ This Message was edited by: Deborah on 2004-01-08 04:54 ]
Anonymous:
Okay yes the schools have a form the kids can fill out if they feel they are being treated un-just.....problem they recieve consequences to do so.
How about that confession letter? Kids are made to re-write them if they are not dirty enough (my experience) and when the parent doesn't buy into the confession in stating all things listed are not true as they have not been able to accomplish all acts listed....the family rep has them change it once again....and again...and again...until the parent buys in. So in turn the manipulation, games, untruths, etc. has now been re-confirmed and continues to be mastered vs. what is promised...honesty, values, morals, self-esteem. blah blah blah....again no need to agree this was my experience of the events that happened.
Since everything must be earned from shaving your legs to off campus outings......there is no reward system in between that honors the "right or working (as they like to call it) choices". The end result being manipulating and faking illness for a ride to the Dr. Again my experience.... Which costs the parents more $$$$ in Dr. Visits and paying staff to take them there!
Yes I made the choice to send her there..... Yes I did the seminars (all of them as was promised it would make the results better) I complied to everything they asked. Why? Because I believed in the program at the time and I believed in my daughter and yes because I loved her more than anything. So do you find yourself asking why would you send her away if you loved her? Well I truly believed it was the only way to save her from herself. I thought this was the only way to not have her die on the streets. I didn't want her in the Juvey system as I though it would teach her things she didn't know and if I had to spend my money I would spend it to help her vs. harm her (that is the real joke)! Hook line and sinker I bought it.
I have been living the 2 year aftermath of utilizing this program. It made things far worse than better.
After all the time in the program she still ended up in the legal system. After spending 20 months in Utah she came home and spent another 4 months in the juvenile system. It is true that not everyone in the juvenile system is equiped with an education to handle these issues either. Although I have to pay for her visit there....they never made promises they couldn't keep.
Yes I get that these are her choices however the choices and the game moved up in anti after the utah stay.
It has been my experience that WWASPers do not want to hear the bad things in the program however reality says there is bad with everything that is good. If someone states their experience WWASPers are all over them trying to change their experience. Perhaps looking into others experiences will make things better as working out the issues is the key not ignoring them.
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