Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Anonymous:
Deborah - My son did make a choice, by his behavior and my inability to deal with his choices. He chose, inadvertantly, to attend a program. He was not compliant for at least 7 months. He's a headstrong kid, still is, just in a healthier way. I really think you are trying to get me to say he was abused, or your definition of abuse. Not! He has said that he was abusive to the staff, verbally, on many occasions. He lost points and priviledges. Had he been physically abusive, he may have been sent to observation or restrained, but didn't become physically abusive. What would you expect the staff to do if he were? If another kid was physically violent I would expect the staff to keep that kid from hurting my son and others. If they kid was continually causing physical harm, they are told to leave. These are not programs for physically violent kids. Any other questions?
Anonymous:
Deborah - one more thing. What experience do you have with the "methods of change" at a wwasp school? Breakdown? Never heard that one before.
Deborah:
I'm not trying to get you to say your son was abused. Leave him out of it.
I asked if you'd continue to support the program if the allegations of abuse were proven.
I noticed you couldn't answer the question without suggesting that abuse is an ocassional occurence.
The allegations, which is what we're discussing, do not support that position, but rather indicate that the BM methods employed on a daily basis are abusive. If you aren't interested in discussing the he said/ she said allegations, then why are you in this discussion, except to defend.
If we only looked at the one common factor to all programs, the isolation/ incarceration of teens who are prevented from communicating with the outside world, they would be considered by many to be abusive. I hear that you don't choose to see that as abuse; but rather a consequence to a child for distressing their parent.
You can twist up the words anyway you choose, but your son did not consciously choose to attend a program- unless he asked to be incarcerated. Given the common definition of choose: to select freely and after consideration; which appears to conflict with the program defintion, I seriously doubt that he chose. I'm more inclined to imagine that his behavior troubled you and you chose to incarcerate him until he was making choices that pleased you.
Antigen:
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On 2004-01-03 22:18:00, Deborah wrote:
This is almost pointless to debate as at this point it's heresay, and most likely from a child or children with an agenda of wanting to get out from living with rules, or to get back to their "old life."
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No, you're dead wrong here. Much of this info is comming from young adults who are no longer in danger of being shipped back to the program. Or friends of kids who have been through one or more of them.
There is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy.
--George Washington
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[ This Message was edited by: Antigen on 2004-01-03 23:40 ]
Anonymous:
Deborah,
Are you making allegations of abuse?
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