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Apologia - Serious debate only, please!
Deborah:
Anon,
Answer this hypothetical question.
Would you continue to support the program if all the allegations of abuse/mistreatment were proven to be true?
Please don't respond with a question or with something irrelevant to the question. Just a yes or no will suffice.
I'm sure you're privy to the allegations, but in case you're not, I'd be happy to search around and compile a fairly comprehensive list. The point being, that you understand the question you are responding to.
Anonymous:
Antigen wrote:"
No. But you should not turn over your will to them. You should not trust and believe them unconditionally and without question. If 100 kids say they were tortured w/ physical pain, deprivation of basic physical necessities (such as adequate sleep) and in other, subtle ways, then you should not assume they're all making it up just becase the people selling the Program say they are. "
Antigen - OMG! Do you think we're all stupid parents that will blindly believe unconditionally, without question? OMG! Again!
You are only seeing what you want to see. There's a lot of layers that you aren't seeing. I never believed anyone unconditionally or without reservation, or questions - ever! That included my own son, who I love with all my being, but was so blatant about mistruths, that I always made sure of what was truth and what was fiction. I was never lied to be a staff person, not ever, and my son can back that up.
What is sleep deprivation? Shit, I was sleep deprived in a much worse way when he ran away and I didn't know where he was. I lost sleep, lots of sleep because I cared enough about him to worry about him. I don't for a minute think he was sleep deprived in his program. Neither does he, other than wanting to sleep until noon. When I was a teen, I spent summers with an aunt in the midwest, on a farm. I was up before dawn, raked horseshit, fed the animals, befoer I even ate breakfast, worked some more and was dog tired by noon, but I kept going - I was in bed by 9 pm, but not before I wrote in my diary.
It really is much the same in his program. Not up before dawn, but by 6;30 am, full daily schedule, and time for reflection writing and writig home in the evenings. Yes, I guess for a teen, that would be considered sleep deprived.
Are you saying there are 100 kids on this forum saying they were tortured. Direct me there please. I see a few "parents" posting of their misery, which I can't say is fact or fiction. I also can't see, like the other anon, who is from the PURE camp spouting their crap, and who is genuinely sincere.
Do you resist change in all areas of your life? I began to enjoy things I was afraid of when I tried on new things, new ways of thinking, getting out of the proverbial comfort zone. FEAR (of change), the worst four letter word. I don't choose to live in a world of "what if's" I choose to live in a world of "what's next?"
Please - just don't tell me how I should feel or think. There's a whole world of possibilities that are still waiting to be discovered.
Anonymous:
Do you have custody?
BTW all they are is allegations, wheres the proof?
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-01-03 22:18:00, Deborah wrote:
"
Anon,
Answer this hypothetical question.
Would you continue to support the program if all the allegations of abuse/mistreatment were proven to be true?
Please don't respond with a question or with something irrelevant to the question. Just a yes or no will suffice.
I'm sure you're privy to the allegations, but in case you're not, I'd be happy to search around and compile a fairly comprehensive list. The point being, that you understand the question you are responding to."
--- End quote ---
Deborah - I don't think this was for me, as I just came on here, but absolutely NOT. I would not support the program if the allegations were true. I agree with the "humans" thing. If a staff person intentionally hurt a student, I would make sure they were fired, in whatever way I could. I would not want to shut down the schools for the mistake of one person, however. This is almost pointless to debate as at this point it's heresay, and most likely from a child or children with an agenda of wanting to get out from living with rules, or to get back to their "old life." But maybe not. I will not get sucked into he said/she said until something is absolutely proven in a court of law. Just as clarificaiton, ALL of the BM's or RTC's have the kids saying the same things about them, don't lay it all on wwasp programs, please.
Deborah:
There's not a thing in the world wrong with change. No one is arguing that. It's the method in which change comes about.
So you "chose" (in your terms) to be sleep deprived. Those who allege sleep deprivation did not choose it. It is forced upon them as part of the breaking down process.
Can you entertain the possibility that your son may have been one of the more "compliant" participants, therefore missed out on some of the specific abuses alleged by others?
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