Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Here is my take on the subject.
Carey:
Here is my take Anon:
I have never told a lie, not since this whole thing started. I have not lied about the $12,500.00. They have not bought my silence. I can still sue them and everyone else if I so choose. All I have ever done is tell about my experience and share it with others. That is all I will ever continue to do. Those associated with trekkers are the ones who have lost all creditability.
My family was not only exploited by Dundee but it was exploited by Amberly and Sue Scheff and her Trekkers associates and Steve Bozak.
Don't sit in judgement until you know everything that has occured.
I don't think any "program" that incarcerates kids without due process of law should exist. Amberly, Trekkers and many others are only trying to move the goods from one program to the next. I don't agree with that and I will not be a part of that.
You can fault me for taking money from the WWASP attorneys if that is what you choose, but mind you, they were not the ones who exploited me and my family. My family was expolited by Dundee, Amberly, Bozak and PURE, Inc. (Sue Scheff).
Amberly is responsible for what happened at Dundee the entire time my boys were there. She knew I wanted them out. She did not care. She did not care or take an interest in any of this until I put here name out on public forums posting her name and stating that she was invovled in the assault and rape cover up. She would never have come forward had I not been publically blasting her. Then she comes forward and says "yeah they charge too much, they don't hire qualified people, etc. etc." I ask her to make a statement for the judge in my court case. She says no. But then she gives a statement, that mind you changed for the 3rd time, to Sue Scheff, PURE Inc. who is no different than WWASP. Why would Amberly be willing to help another corporation, who does the same thing WWASP does but not be willing to help 2 kids who were under her care and who were terrified of going back.
Is Amberly telling the truth, I don't think so. Not any more. She has changed the details significantly since she hooked up with PURE. But you know what, if it turns out that Amberly is telling the truth...then I am going to sue her personally for the care of my kids while in the program and the fear they lived in after leaving the program.
When you have all of the facts, then judge me, but as of right now, you don't.
Carey
Anonymous:
Carey:
Let's keep this about judging what you did, not necessarily you as a whole.
I know you needed the cash, and that you were taken advantage of (by Sue), and this mess has been emotional. I also know a person can do something morally wrong and that the person should not be written off forever, just because of that one wrong thing, but here, in this case, it was a Whopper, and part of the price for taking the WWASP money is the critics that will naturally follow.
I'm sure you had reasons for doing this horrible thing, but it was still horrible. The money is very dirty and was tajen from people in awful pain and confusion (also stupidity, but that's another conversation) when they paid it to WWASP.
I understand your thinking had to be a little more pragmatic and that you wanted to save your house, have a nice Christmas, etc., but where does it stop.
While Frod is anything but gentle, my rabblerousing here, the last couple of days was to raise awareness to the fact that this board can suck. It's moderator needs to help get everything out on the table without all of the brutlity which seems to go hand-in-hand with saying anything on this board.
I wouldn't presume to give you advice, but I would leave out of your argument to the people angry you took the money, that you had no other choice. It's not a good argument and it's not true.
Carey:
--- Quote ---I wouldn't presume to give you advice, but I would leave out of your argument to the people angry you took the money, that you had no other choice.
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I never said I had no other choice. I had a couple of choices. I could have given it to them freely, had I so chose. I could have let them serve me with a subpoena.
The money is not tainted...the industry as a whole is. Afterall, look at Amberly who was willing to give her sworn statement to to protect Sue and her business...not kids...she chose to protect someone more like herself, someone who profits off of kids.
--- Quote ---Let's keep this about judging what you did, not necessarily you as a whole.
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You can not separate the two. I did what I did based on what happened "as a whole." I saw people, not innocent people but guilty people, pointing the finger at another group all the while engaging in the same behavior.
[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-12-16 08:16 ]
Anonymous:
Surely one of these is applicable here:
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-12-16 08:12:00, Carey wrote:
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--- Quote ---I wouldn't presume to give you advice, but I would leave out of your argument to the people angry you took the money, that you had no other choice.
--- End quote ---
I never said I had no other choice. I had a couple of choices. I could have given it to them freely, had I so chose. I could have let them serve me with a subpoena.
The money is not tainted...the industry as a whole is. Afterall, look at Amberly who was willing to give her sworn statement to to protect Sue and her business...not kids...she chose to protect someone more like herself, someone who profits off of kids.
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--- End quote ---
Two wrongs make a right Carey? C'mon, I know you don't mean that. Of course, anyone else who is doing this is wrong too. It's Ok that you're at peace with this, but do you for one second expect anyone, except Ginger who has been somewhat sympathetic, to say what you did helps anyone but you and WWASP?
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