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Teen on life support after assault at children's home

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Ursus:

--- Quote from: "cmack" ---My earlier opinion that this was more of a group home type place versus a BM facility is largely based upon the fact that the kids appear to have unmonitored mail and phone privileges and go to public schools, and may have unsupervised excursions off campus.
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If they can intimidate or indoctrinate you to censor yourself, there is less need for these more obvious and admittedly crude methods of ensuring behavior modification.

In fact, the more sophisticated and less overt the methodology, the more insidious and long-lasting the damage. And the more difficult it is to tease out and recover from.

cmack:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "cmack" ---My earlier opinion that this was more of a group home type place versus a BM facility is largely based upon the fact that the kids appear to have unmonitored mail and phone privileges and go to public schools, and may have unsupervised excursions off campus.
--- End quote ---
If they can intimidate or indoctrinate you to censor yourself, there is less need for these more obvious and admittedly crude methods of ensuring behavior modification.

In fact, the more sophisticated and less overt the methodology, the more insidious and long-lasting the damage. And the more difficult it is to tease out and recover from.
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You're talking about Hyde, right? That place must really mess with people's minds. I understand what you are saying. That's why the physical torture attempts at mind control failed while the seemingly softer more benign tactics involving peer pressure and the illusion of choice have been so successful.

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "cmack" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "cmack" ---My earlier opinion that this was more of a group home type place versus a BM facility is largely based upon the fact that the kids appear to have unmonitored mail and phone privileges and go to public schools, and may have unsupervised excursions off campus.
--- End quote ---
If they can intimidate or indoctrinate you to censor yourself, there is less need for these more obvious and admittedly crude methods of ensuring behavior modification.

In fact, the more sophisticated and less overt the methodology, the more insidious and long-lasting the damage. And the more difficult it is to tease out and recover from.
--- End quote ---
You're talking about Hyde, right? That place must really mess with people's minds. I understand what you are saying. That's why the physical torture attempts at mind control failed while the seemingly softer more benign tactics involving peer pressure and the illusion of choice have been so successful.
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:rofl:
You got it. But what Hyde also does is scapegoating, i.e., making individuals so-called examples of what everyone is afraid of becoming. This ends up becoming an incredible disincentive for folk to differ from the status quo.

"Courage," my ass. In reality, it plays as "Conformity."

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "cmack" ---
--- Quote ---Mrs. Condo and her husband, Jerry, formed One Way Farm about six years ago as a place for "trouble kids," where they could find refuge, either from their own families, jail or sometimes even from themselves. Since then, it has become something of a haven, not only for the youths, but for Butler Country Juvenile Court authorities who need to find some tough-love for their young offenders.

Tough-love is what the Condos specialize in. "You can teach kids who are full of hate," Mrs. Condo says. "I teach them some responsibility, and don't let them get by with things. If they're cons at 13, they'll be cons their whole lives, unless something changes. Here, they're productive. And loved. I'm blessed to be able to put that philosophy to use. It's my gift to the world."
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Okay, it's a Program. As such places go it may not be as bad as some others. There's a certain degree of protection that comes from having mail and phone privileges and going to public schools, and having unsupervised time away from campus, but the mentality appears to be largely the same.

It's that quote above "sometimes even from themselves" that I think irks me the most. There's a huge difference between being nurtured and guided on the one hand and being manipulated and trained like a circus animal on the other. There's a fine line between doing things for people and doing things to people.
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Ya know, I wasn't necessarily trying to convince anyone that this place IS, in fact, a "program" as it is commonly understood to be on fornits. It's just that far too many familiar components associated with coercive thought reform appear to be, and appear to have been for quite some time, securely in place. Consequently, I'm more than a lil suspicious of and concerned about what actually happens to kids, psychologically, long term, as a result of exposure to this place.

I imagine that a number of kids feel truly helped by One Way Farm. I certainly wouldn't want to take that away from them.

On the other hand, there is certainly present and evident, to *me* at least, a number of ideological loopholes often resorted to in this binnis of behav mod that have, historically, resulted in psychological and emotional damage to some kids over the years. Consequently, in *my* book at least, this place has a red flag draped all over it.

Fwiw, I really don't mind if I'm the only one who thinks that-a-way.

cmack:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Ya know, I wasn't necessarily trying to convince anyone that this place IS, in fact, a "program" as it is commonly understood to be on fornits. It's just that far too many familiar components associated with coercive thought reform appear to be, and appear to have been for quite some time, securely in place. Consequently, I'm more than a lil suspicious of and concerned about what actually happens to kids, psychologically, long term, as a result of exposure to this place.

I imagine that a number of kids feel truly helped by One Way Farm. I certainly wouldn't want to take that away from them.

On the other hand, there is certainly present and evident, to *me* at least, a number of ideological loopholes often resorted to in this binnis of behav mod that have, historically, resulted in psychological and emotional damage to some kids over the years. Consequently, in *my* book at least, this place has a red flag draped all over it.

Fwiw, I really don't mind if I'm the only one who thinks that-a-way.
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If I were a kid being routinely beaten or neglected to such an extent that I didn't have food to eat, clothes to wear, or medical or dental care and I was in pain then I'd probably welcome being removed from my home and placed in a place like One Way Farm. In my book the real problem is when kids are forcefully removed from their homes and placed against their will anywhere. In that case I'd view One Way Farm as a prison. It doesn't matter how nice the place may be a gilded cage is still a cage.

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