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Xelebes:
No. That might mean aversives ala Judge Rotenburg, but it does not mean the normal psychological experiments were being conducted. It means a shift towards psychiatry and more experimental things (maybe one of the reasons why Scientology is so against psychiatry.) What we know as behaviour modification, or brainwashing, is no longer being pursued under those criteria.
Also, Kids Helping Kids was an offshoot of Straight, either as a sister program of Kids of Bergen County and the sort, or an offshoot of Kids of _____. So I kindly ask you to knock it off this fool's crusade. The programs are hard to keep track of.
ajax13:
--- Quote from: "Xelebes" ---No. That might mean aversives ala Judge Rotenburg, but it does not mean the normal psychological experiments were being conducted. It means a shift towards psychiatry and more experimental things (maybe one of the reasons why Scientology is so against psychiatry.) What we know as behaviour modification, or brainwashing, is no longer being pursued under those criteria.
Also, Kids Helping Kids was an offshoot of Straight, either as a sister program of Kids of Bergen County and the sort, or an offshoot of Kids of _____. So I kindly ask you to knock it off this fool's crusade. The programs are hard to keep track of.
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The programs are not hard to keep track of. Kids of Bergen County/New Jersey/Salt Lake are one stream. KHK/Pathways is another. Which normal psychological experiments are you referring to? MKSearch was "the continuation of the MKUltra program".
Xelebes:
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--- Quote from: "Xelebes" ---No. That might mean aversives ala Judge Rotenburg, but it does not mean the normal psychological experiments were being conducted. It means a shift towards psychiatry and more experimental things (maybe one of the reasons why Scientology is so against psychiatry.) What we know as behaviour modification, or brainwashing, is no longer being pursued under those criteria.
Also, Kids Helping Kids was an offshoot of Straight, either as a sister program of Kids of Bergen County and the sort, or an offshoot of Kids of _____. So I kindly ask you to knock it off this fool's crusade. The programs are hard to keep track of.
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The programs are not hard to keep track of. Kids of Bergen County/New Jersey/
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Um, yes they are. Not only is there Straight, but there is WWASP, Hyde Schools, CEDU, Synanon, AEG as well as the ones not derived from Synanon like the IFB schools.
ajax13:
Since I am familiar with the Seed/Straight/Kids stream, I do not find it confusing. You on the other hand, are not familiar with this subject, and yet you are making statements about the subject, rather than asking questions about it.
Xelebes:
--- Quote from: "ajax13" ---Since I am familiar with the Seed/Straight/Kids stream, I do not find it confusing. You on the other hand, are not familiar with this subject, and yet you are making statements about the subject, rather than asking questions about it.
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That's great. The research I'm trying to do is figure out where the experiments began and when they forked off. I'm also leading my research into the Canadian Residential and the American Indian schools and how did they factor in the development. I can say with a couple interviews I've had with the natives, the conditions of the schools was (may have been) not as egregious in the 70s as they were being wound down as they were in the period 1930-1965.
Synanon's experiment - the demonstration of efficacy. That's all it had to do. Psychiatrists and psychologists walked in, offered tips and hints, leading Dederich to refine the "Game." That was the experimentation as far as it went. That's all it had to do. The Seed didn't even have that - although I think DuPont did visit and did give his grace, or at least jumped in as a consultant with Straight. I don't know how much advice was given but from what I can discern of the financial documents, it was a skinflint operation that may have padded the wallets of Baker somewhat, unlike what Sembler, Newton and Vause could do. This fact might suggest that it was an experiment, but I find it an unsatisfactory hypothesis.
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