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none-ya:
Hey doc that's a great idea why don't you save me a spot sunday morning?

none-ya:
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Ursus:

--- Quote from: "cmack" ---As you said in one of your earlier posts; people need to hit rock bottom before they can be helped.
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:eek: ...Do you really believe this?

cmack:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "cmack" ---As you said in one of your earlier posts; people need to hit rock bottom before they can be helped.
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:eek: ...Do you really believe this?
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NO, I was referencing something he had said in an earlier post. I didn't want to argue the issue with him.

This is what I said:
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Thanks for sharing your story, and congratulations on getting your life back on-track. You didn't say what your drug of choice was, but I'm assuming it was something more potent than marijuana. After three arrests in under a year it sounds like you were ready "desperate" to get clean and straighten your life out. I believe people change when they're ready to change. You found solace and redemption through faith. Others follow different paths to sobriety. But I don't think any program can be effective if the person isn't ready to change.
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This is what he wrote in response:

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I agree with you about the "prerequisite" of change being that you have to hit "rock bottom" first. And I believe that "rock bottom" is very different for everybody. I personally would have never entered the program if I hadn't been court ordered. Like any rehab, Teen Challenge does not work for people who are not ready to change. I have personally seen alot of men enter the program who hadn't hit rock bottom, only to leave the program and start using again.

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"Rock bottom" is AA language that I don't subscribe to, but I don't think arguing the issue with him would have been productive and it would have been a distraction to the main thrust of the dialogue.

But thanks for being vigilant and keeping me honest. :)

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