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Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
« on: July 27, 2009, 09:48:42 AM »
Cole Harbour teen denied entry to U.S. to be treated in Ontario, by Heather Amos, CronicleHerald.ca, July 10 2009

He was saved from entering either Provo Canyon School or Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center

Instead of having his life spoiled he can not get local treatment in Canada. Lucky boy. Visa rules save lives.
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Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2009, 12:04:08 PM »
This "Community Services Department" in Nova Scotia seems to send more than a few kids to Utah. Must be an in-house organizational bias. They also seem quite eager to do so, regardless of what the family's wishes might be, at least in this particular case...

Here is an earlier article about this same case, which goes into some more background and detail:

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The ChronicleHerald.ca METRO
Family: Utah too far to send troubled teen for treatment
By PATRICIA BROOKS ARENBURG Staff Reporter
Mon. Jun 1, 2009


The family of a troubled Cole Harbour boy is going to court today to keep authorities from sending him to a youth facility in Utah.

"He’s gonna come back, we’re all (going to be) distant, we’re all (going to be) strangers here," his grandmother said. "We know we love each other. He knows we’re mom and dad, . . . but it ain’t gonna be the same. There’s a distance there."

The 14-year-old boy, raised by his maternal grandparents since he was four, is at a short-term treatment centre in the temporary care of the Community Services Department. If the family isn’t successful, he will be sent to Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center for an undetermined time.

The boy, who cannot be named, is a habitual runaway who has done crack cocaine and had sex with women several years older, his grandmother said. He was in the province’s care for eight months and spent most of that time "locked up" in Nova Scotia Youth Facility in Waterville, the grandmother said. He had racked up 27 charges and even crashed a stolen car during that time, she said.

The family has been told that the boy may have attention deficit disorder and fetal alcohol syndrome, along with a host of other possible problems. It’s not that the family doesn’t want him to get help, the grandmother said. But with local programs available as well as some closer than Utah, such as in Maine, the family wonders why he needs to go so far away. "We have children right here in our own province that’s getting that help. . . . Why is this child so different?" the grandmother asked.

Vicki Wood, the Community Services Department’s director of child welfare, said there are about 1,700 children in the department’s care. Less than two per cent of those children need out-of-province treatment and care. The province said it costs almost the same to send young people to Cinnamon Hills as it does to keep them here, over $111,000 a year. Nova Scotia has sent 20 children in the last four years to Cinnamon Hills, five hours south of Salt Lake City.

Although there are programs to deal with youngsters facing emotional and behavioural problems here in Nova Scotia, some have greater challenges due to developmental delays, neurological problems and fetal alcohol syndrome — "combination issues that make your treatment particularly difficult," Ms. Wood said.

The distance isn’t the only concern for the family. The grandmother said she was contacted by people in Utah who told her about alleged abuses at the facility. A woman who worked at Cinnamon Hills was arrested on sex-related charges against a teenage girl there.

Community Services officials contacted the facility and found that the woman had no contact with any of the Nova Scotia teenagers there. They also determined the facility followed proper procedures after the allegations arose.

The family is scheduled to appear in Halifax family court today where a judge will determine whether the courts have the authority to restrict the department from sending the boy to Utah.

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Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2009, 01:50:13 AM »
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This time, the boy was denied access to the United States for treatment at any facility.

Translation: "No bitch, this kid needs serious mental help, not torture"

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The grandmother said she was contacted by people in Utah who told her about alleged abuses at the facility.

Infiltration WIN :rocker:
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Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2009, 10:45:15 AM »
Quote from: "Ursus"
This "Community Services Department" in Nova Scotia seems to send more than a few kids to Utah. Must be an in-house organizational bias. They also seem quite eager to do so, regardless of what the family's wishes might be, at least in this particular case...
I did some more research and, apparently there is something more than a bit dodgey about how the Provincial Government of Nova Scotia and the Department of Community Services do their binnis (DCS is somewhat analogous to the United States' DDS or CPS agencies). I don't have enough functioning brain cells to completely figure it out this morning... Perhaps someone more in the know on this issue might care to comment?

At any rate, it appears that the notoriously corrupt Nova Scotia's DCS is rather... aggressive ...about taking some kids from their parents despite unsubstantiated or disputed allegations. Moreover, many parents are pressured into "volunteering" up their kids if the kid needs help and the parent cannot afford it. Nova Scotia's DCS then rams the consequent relinquishing of parental rights through their court system with little pretense for "due process." It would also appear that the appalling constellation of relevant legal professionals have rampant conflicts of interest with both sides of the fracas. Guess which side pulls more clout?

If the kid in question happens to be "difficult," then they are often sent to... Cinnamon Hills Youth Care Facility in St. George, Utah. Bizarre that it should be so specific. Perhaps not so bizarre. Nova Scotia must have a similar arrangement with this facility like California does...

The way it works is thus: kid gets in trouble, or suffers some trauma and starts acting out, and consequently comes to the attention of the local social services agency (DCS). If the parents cannot afford appropriate treatment, then they are pressured to relinquish their parental rights so that the kid's needs can be covered by governmental funding. If you're poor, or even just middle class and have sucky health insurance, you can't have it both ways. You have to give up your kid in order to get him/her the help they need.

I keep seeing variations of this phrase: "The woman said she volunteered to give up custody of her son in April so he could receive the help he needs." Note that word "volunteer," that is what this is euphemistically called.
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another thread on Cinnamon Hills
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2009, 10:54:43 AM »
Another thread with more information on Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Center:

    Cinnamon Hills
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    Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
    « Reply #5 on: July 30, 2009, 03:38:52 PM »
    Since this kid IS getting sent to Bayfield, maybe it's worth glancing over this facility.

    http://www.bayfield.net/About.html

    Relying on the website only, it looks better than Provo Canyon. I can't see anywhere about costs so I think it might not be for- profit, they have sex-ed which also caters to gay, bisexual and transgendered youth (which is rare) and they seem to only take children with diagnosed problems and issues tat are causing problems (eg. developmental disorders). They also have special education and accreditted education and some research based therapy and diagnostic tests by, according to them, master's level clincicians and consulting psychiatrists. And it says they have a complaint process.

    That being said there's a couple red flags. The bedroom doors and windows are alarmed, there is farm work that I'm fairly sure is mandatory and some of their aims seem a bit vague.
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    'It's just somewhere to shove this kid': lawyer
    « Reply #6 on: August 30, 2009, 01:20:40 PM »
    Quote from: "tryingtohelp"
    Since this kid IS getting sent to Bayfield, maybe it's worth glancing over this facility.

    http://www.bayfield.net/About.html

    Relying on the website only, it looks better than Provo Canyon. I can't see anywhere about costs so I think it might not be for- profit, they have sex-ed which also caters to gay, bisexual and transgendered youth (which is rare) and they seem to only take children with diagnosed problems and issues tat are causing problems (eg. developmental disorders). They also have special education and accreditted education and some research based therapy and diagnostic tests by, according to them, master's level clincicians and consulting psychiatrists. And it says they have a complaint process.

    That being said there's a couple red flags. The bedroom doors and windows are alarmed, there is farm work that I'm fairly sure is mandatory and some of their aims seem a bit vague.
    Thanks for that heads-up, tryingtohelp!

    Here's a recent news article which helps explain the above reference to Bayfield Treatment Center:

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    'It's just somewhere to shove this kid': lawyer
    Posted By STEVE PETTIBONE, SUN MEDIA
    Posted Aug 13, 2009?


    The grandmother of a teenaged boy being housed at a youth residential treatment facility in Prince Edward County wants to know why he can't be treated closer to home

    The 14-year-old Cole Harbour boy, who was the subject of a recent Supreme Court of Nova Scotia case, suffers from attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and related behavioural problems.

    He was recently enrolled at the Bayfield Treatment Centre in Consecon by the Nova Scotia Department of Community Services.

    His grandmother -- who cannot be named in order to protect the boy's identity -- said she wants the boy to get help, but she did not expect him to be moved out of the province.

    "All we did was ask for help, not for him to be shipped away," she said.

    Community Services originally made arrangements for the boy to be treated at a facility in Utah after the Nova Scotia Supreme Court ruled it was permissible to send him there since treatment was unavailable in his home province.

    After arrangements at both Cinnamon Hills Youth Crisis Centre and Provo Canyon School fell through, the boy was moved to Bayfield -- a decision Patrick Eagan, the family's lawyer, says shows a definite motive.

    "It appears to my clients that (Community Services just wanted him as far away as possible," he said.

    "It's just somewhere to shove this kid."

    Eagan said his clients are concerned with how little information they are receiving on the treatment the boy is receiving at Bayfield. He also said they know little about what is being planned for the boy's education.

    "Whatever they plan to do, we don't really know until September, when he's back in school," he said. "He needs help, and he doesn't need to be hanging around Ontario waiting for school to start."

    Eagan said the boy is under the temporary care of the Nova Scotia minister of community services, and, as such, the current arrangement is open-ended. While there is potential for a review hearing sometime around October, he said, the ministry has the right to keep the boy in its care for another year and a half.

    "They can keep him in care until he's 16," he said. "Against his will."

    The grandmother said contact with the boy since the move to Bayfield has been limited and she and her husband feel cut off from information about him.

    "The department of community services will not communicate with us," she said. "They're shutting us out."

    Lawyers for the Department of Community Services in Nova Scotia and the CEO at Bayfield could not be reached for comment.


    Article ID# 1697699


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    Re: 'It's just somewhere to shove this kid': lawyer
    « Reply #7 on: August 30, 2009, 06:34:10 PM »
    Comments for the above article:



    Post #1 By sirjohneh!, 17 days ago
      Typical of family services to shut the family out and their lawyer. There is zero accountability at the hands of ALL CAS workers and that has to stop. They can help kids, but in many cases they do more harm than good and are not held responsible for their actions. It is criminal.
    Post #2 By Riverman, 17 days ago
      I don't mean to be insensitive to the parents but what if it's them that are doing more harm than good?
    Post #3 By givemeabreakon taxes, 17 days ago
      how very true!!sirjohneh!
    Post #4 By heebas, 17 days ago
      Yeah I read about those places, they probably have the kid in some wild sensory deprivation tank and that's why they have limited contact, he's only allowed out once a week for an hour so he doesn't get muscle atrophy.

      In all seriousness though, that was not funny because this is not funny,
      it really doesn't say much about why he's there. When i was like 12 they said I had ADD and ADHD and they just gave me Ritalin and eventually some other drug. Surely these places aren't just for treating ADHD and behavioral problems, are they?!? I stopped taking the drugs eventually and as I got a bit older I grew out of it. In my case anyway it was more puberty than it was any serious condition. But I can still imagine how much this would suck for a kid, and I know what its like when everyone thinks that your behavioral problems are some Condition or Disorder.
    Post #5 By cscharlie, 16 days ago
      is the transportation for the family back and forth on a regular basis for visitation being paid for? as well as their accomodations while they are out of the province visiting the child, since him being out of the province was not their choice? Cetainly it cannot be in the best interest of the child, no matter what the condition, to be deprived of family contact.
    Post #6 By richard67, 16 days ago
      The fact that the only treatment is 1200 miles from his home is wrong. On the other hand at least they found him some place to go. If it were my child I would be devastated. Literally there is no where to turn when you need help as the Govt keeps closing programs. There are only roughly 30 beds in all of Ont to treat children with addictions. These poor kids do not get help with their disabilities, addictions etc. then wind up in the penal system and we blame them. How about starting to blame the Govt. that lacks the social supports for these children who grow up to be adults with major issues. Put forth money when they are young and have a chance or support them in the penal system . Either way we pay.
    Post #7 By starfish422, 16 days ago
      We have no idea what the home is like that he was taken from - it very well could be in his best interest to be away from them.

      Richard67 - I completely agree with money now vs money later - and I would add that it is much easier to bring them up properly than it is to try to "fix" them later.
    Post #8 By opiniatated, 16 days ago
      WOW.
      I know for a fact that Bayfaield is a wonderful place for multi problematic boys. This boy is not being tortured or deprived in any way!
      You need to ask why the grandparents are so concerned and not his parents, why the NB government is now his legal guardian (he was likely removed form the home), and know that he is getting a good safe caring environment where he is now. Perhaps the grandparents need thier lawyer to make sure they have rights to access, to be able to speak with the home, to be able to contact thier grandson, but likely, they would then have to foot the bill for his treatment and care and thier province won't be doing it for them. It is possible they signed over rights because of that in the first place.
      We won't know.. but this article could have gone much further in looking into the situation, maybe even going so far as to speak with the owner or workers at the home who are good wonderful caring people.
    Post #9 By opiniatated, 16 days ago
      What is sad is that there arne't more places like this for placement for children who need it.


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    Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
    « Reply #8 on: August 30, 2009, 06:42:47 PM »
    Quote from: "tryingtohelp"
    Since this kid IS getting sent to Bayfield, maybe it's worth glancing over this facility.

    http://www.bayfield.net/About.html

    Relying on the website only, it looks better than Provo Canyon. I can't see anywhere about costs so I think it might not be for- profit, they have sex-ed which also caters to gay, bisexual and transgendered youth (which is rare) and they seem to only take children with diagnosed problems and issues tat are causing problems (eg. developmental disorders). They also have special education and accreditted education and some research based therapy and diagnostic tests by, according to them, master's level clincicians and consulting psychiatrists. And it says they have a complaint process.

    That being said there's a couple red flags. The bedroom doors and windows are alarmed, there is farm work that I'm fairly sure is mandatory and some of their aims seem a bit vague.
    Here's the biggest red flag: Bayfield Treatment Centres utilizes Attachment Therapy. One could call it ... "CALO of the North."

    One possible difference: there are allegedly a lot of degree'd professionals involved (yet none save CEO Dr. Larry S. Sanders are listed on the website, at least that I could find). Perhaps they are needed for all that data collection to be done appropriately. Not so sure that some of those questions can be legitimately quantified, but maybe that's just me...
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    Nowhere to turn
    « Reply #9 on: October 24, 2009, 05:23:24 PM »
    Here's another mention of this kid... Also some discussion highlighting the appalling state of affairs for troubled youth in Canada's Province of Nova Scotia. Many of the same points are made ... as in analogous discussion in the U.S.A.

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    Nowhere to turn
    Some provinces are sending troubled kids as far away as Utah for rehabilitation
    by Rachel Mendleson on Friday, August 7, 2009 5:00pm MacCleans


    Photo: Jaret Belliveau

    After months of battling social services to keep her grandson close to their Nova Scotia community, Gloria learned from a voice mail message that she had lost. The recording, left on July 6, informed her that in a few days, the 14-year-old, who has severe emotional and behavioural difficulties, would be sent to a residential treatment facility near Trenton, Ont., more than 1,500 km away from home. Of immediate concern, however, was that she'd have to wait until the next morning to find out how long he'd be gone, or when she'd have to say goodbye.

    Gloria has raised Nathan, who was abandoned by both parents, since he was four. Last October, his impulsive behaviour, drug use and habitual running away prompted her to temporarily give up custody, thinking the province "would put him some place where he would get help," she says. Along with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, he is suspected of having an alcohol-related neurodevelopmental disorder. But Nathan continued to run and get himself deeper into trouble. Within months, he was shuffled through six placements with foster families and in group homes, and racked up a slew of criminal charges. Nova Scotia determined that neither it—nor she—could meet his needs, and decided he should go to Cinnamon Hills, a private treatment facility in Utah, where it had sent a number of youth with similar issues. When all else fails, provincial governments are often willing to dispense huge amounts of money to ship the most critical cases to residential treatment facilities far from home.

    Outraged, Gloria, whose name and that of her grandson have been changed, poured thousands of dollars into legal services to fight the decision, but the judge upheld the ruling. By then, her concern had become about more than the distance: it emerged that a former Cinnamon Hills worker, Joy Lynette Andrews, was facing charges relating to an alleged sexual relationship with a 16-year-old resident. (The 34-year-old pleaded not guilty last month.) Though Nathan didn't end up going to Utah (he was deemed inadmissible to the U.S.), the alternative of Trenton has left Gloria only marginally less desperate. "He doesn't need to be going where he's going," she says. "That child needs to be loved." (Days after his arrival in Trenton, Nathan ran away. He was later returned by police.)

    Of the roughly 1,700 kids in the care of Nova Scotia's Community Services Department, more than 98 per cent are placed in foster families and group homes within the province. But for those who require extensive treatment for complex emotional and behavioural difficulties, says Rickcola Slawter, youth duty council for the province's legal aid, "there's really nothing here." Though a long-term residential treatment centre is in the planning stages, funding has yet to be secured. Currently, the only option is Wood Street, a locked-door facility in Truro for short-term stabilization. So for now, when a longer-term solution is required, Community Services casts the net further afield. Last year, 25 youth were placed in treatment facilities elsewhere in Canada and the U.S. Since 2004, 20 kids have gone to Cinnamon Hills. According to Vicki Wood, director of child welfare for the department, the tuition—$114,000 annually—is comparable to that of Nova Scotia programs, but "the range of specialists [at Cinnamon Hills] would far outstrip anything that we could offer here." As for the allegation of mistreatment, she says, "We have absolutely no knowledge of substantiated abuse," adding that in child welfare cases, the burden of proof "is much lower than for a criminal test." And though Wood acknowledges that the 5,000 km between Halifax and St. George, Utah, presents a challenge for families, she insists subsidized visits and regular phone calls can bridge the gap: "It's the constant and regular contact that's important, not the distance over it."

    This explanation is not good enough for Bernard Richard, the ombudsman in New Brunswick, which also occassionally sends troubled kids out of the province. Struck by how many complaints he was receiving about inadequate services for kids with complex mental health needs, Richard, who is also the province's child and youth advocate, dug up the files of seven such cases. His resulting 2008 report, "Connecting the dots," chronicles the failure of a system that bounced these kids between foster families, group homes, hospitals and jail without providing appropriate treatment. In one instance, a 13-year-old boy was kept in the province's youth detention centre for several weeks in 2005, not due to committing a crime, but rather because "there was nowhere else to send him." As a young adult, he was later among three of the seven who were sent to Spurwink, a highly specialized treatment residence in Portland, Maine, where the annual cost of comprehensive services ranges from $125,000 to $500,000 per person. Says Richard, "I fail to be convinced that we can't do this locally." The 48 recommendations he came up with push hard for community-based treatment options. The idea, he says, is to give these kids the stability and help they so desperately need—long before they require a half-million-dollar solution.

    Gauging the effect on kids of being moved far from home is difficult, but anecdotal evidence suggests it is often significant. John Mould, who is the child and youth advocate in Alberta, says youth in care sent from Nunavut and the Northwest Territories, where treatment options are scarce, can "feel like they've been forgotten. They don't know how and when they'll get home." While Alberta almost never resorts to out-of-province placements for its own kids, the distance between rural communities and treatment programs can lead to similar feelings of isolation.

    According to Moncton psychologist Charles Emmrys, this is "a ridiculously expensive system that does not work." He calls the widespread practice of removing the most damaged kids from their communities "a quiet crisis," and is part of a small group of advocates pushing for a different solution. That facilities, rather than families, remain the default placement for those who are most at risk is, he says, "one of the greatest injustices in society right now." In an impassioned plea to a New Brunswick government-commissioned mental health task force earlier this year, Emmrys argued instead that placing professionals in communities, investing in biological families, and significantly increasing the support—and compensation—foster parents receive would be "revenue neutral at worst." But more importantly, he says, it's what's been proven successful. Unlike residential facilities, which effectively sentence kids to a life in institutions, the family model, though considerably more "messy," gives them the continuity and connectedness they need, he says. "The 'there is no place' argument is simply an attestation to the fact that planners did not do their work."

    Still, the reality of just how difficult it is to access children's mental health resources on their own means that some families would jump at the chance to have the province seek out treatment for their son—even it required sending him to Utah. In the course of her legal aid work, Slawter routinely hears from parents who've pressed charges against their own child, believing that "if they bring him before the court, he can be ordered to get treatment." Ian Manion, executive director of Ontario's Provincial Centre of Excellence for Child and Youth Mental Health, says that because resources are in such short supply "right along the continuum," early intervention is rare. And despite the best intentions of child welfare, by the time kids' mental health issues are identified, many have already turned to drugs or become tangled up in the criminal justice system. The effect: "You're constantly dealing with the deepest end of the pool, which is the most specialized, most expensive way of doing business," he says.

    For most of Nathan's life, his grandmother has been fighting for him. At two, Gloria spotted him on the side of the road, in the arms of a stranger. "I stopped that car and jumped out," she says. Apparently, his father had handed him over and walked off—as it turned out, for good. And when his mother, who had taken him to live in Vancouver, lost custody, Gloria ran up her phone bill "so high I couldn't afford it," she says, "but I found my grandson."

    However, when she finally got word from social services that he would likely be in Ontario for a year, it was her emotions, not mettle, that came to the fore. "When he comes back, we're all strangers," she says. "It's really sad for this child."


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    Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
    « Reply #10 on: October 24, 2009, 05:37:05 PM »
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    Outraged, Gloria, whose name and that of her grandson have been changed, poured thousands of dollars into legal services to fight the decision, but the judge upheld the ruling. By then, her concern had become about more than the distance: it emerged that a former Cinnamon Hills worker, Joy Lynette Andrews, was facing charges relating to an alleged sexual relationship with a 16-year-old resident. (The 34-year-old pleaded not guilty last month.) Though Nathan didn't end up going to Utah (he was deemed inadmissible to the U.S.), the alternative of Trenton has left Gloria only marginally less desperate. "He doesn't need to be going where he's going," she says. "That child needs to be loved." (Days after his arrival in Trenton, Nathan ran away. He was later returned by police.)
    For more on the Joy Andrews case:

      Cinnamon Hills; Joy Lynette Andrews arrested/charged
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      Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
      « Reply #11 on: October 24, 2009, 06:13:57 PM »
      Comments on the above article, "Nowhere to turn" (MacCleans; August 7, 2009):


      kaysee  · 11 weeks ago
        It constantly amazes me that governments seem to be unable/unwilling to invest the smaller amounts of money required to assist children/families/foster families in their communities. Letting matters get to a crises stage is always more expensive and time-consuming than dealing w/ problems when they less critical.
        It's time that governments learned to do cost-benefit analysis - early treatment is always less costly than incarceration &/or hospitalization.
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      chris allan  · 10 weeks ago
        I dont know where you get your info. From the unions that represent workers in these fields maybe? but from what I see, Provinces spend enormous amounts of money in these areas. Most of it in the form of wages and benefits for the workers who dont want to fix a problem that may lead to the end of their gravy train. Ontario pays foster parents over $30 per day per child. Is more money going to help the situation?
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      TeriB  · 11 weeks ago
        I am not the least bit surprised but it does astonish me at how inept we as a nation are at taking care of the less fortunate. And the justifications and excuses we have for only doing so much ! are equally astonishing.
        And please no bragging or sending blogs to straighten me out on the matter. I have been there, I watched from the other side and saw only a very few "kind true Canadians" . I found "ZERO" kindness in most and none in the auto trons we call government.
        We are missing the whole lesson. That is pretty sad.
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      scf  · 10 weeks ago
        I think it is sad that you feel the need to slander the entire country. You need a personality transplant.
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      Jack Mitchell 96p  · 10 weeks ago
        Uh, QED?
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      proworker  · 10 weeks ago
        I work in this system and it is broken down completely. Beurocrats dono have a clue as to the crisis that is happening in residential placement. It is no less than systematic abuse of our children.


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      Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
      « Reply #12 on: December 08, 2011, 02:52:42 PM »
      They dropped the law suit against the Bayfield home workers, I would bet my life on it, that they did assault  the young boy from N.S., why would I say that.....my son was in Bayfield homes and was treated the same way, I also heard loud screams while on the phone with my son, he said they had a little boy up against the wall by his neck, bullies is what they are, wanna be cops and jail guards and have to build a resume, so cop to cop will not lay charges, its been proven, I have been to the home, seen the nasty workers there, one of them bent over fixing bikes can see the crack of her arse, not something these boys need to see, and they were outside watching her in disgust, also the beer in the fridge in the garage, getting kids drink? who knows, but if not why is there beer in the fridge, still havent go the answer to that, my son was abused by the workers at this home, by the doctor who kept him drugged, and the staff he would see on a regular basis touching each other in an inappropriate way, (only on night shift). They have a few houses in the area, one is just as bad as the other.
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      Re: Canadian Teen saved from Utah facilities
      « Reply #13 on: January 26, 2012, 01:13:06 PM »
      Quote from: "nannieb68"
      They dropped the law suit against the Bayfield home workers, I would bet my life on it, that they did assault  the young boy from N.S., why would I say that.....my son was in Bayfield homes and was treated the same way, I also heard loud screams while on the phone with my son, he said they had a little boy up against the wall by his neck, bullies is what they are, wanna be cops and jail guards and have to build a resume, so cop to cop will not lay charges, its been proven, I have been to the home, seen the nasty workers there, one of them bent over fixing bikes can see the crack of her arse, not something these boys need to see, and they were outside watching her in disgust, also the beer in the fridge in the garage, getting kids drink? who knows, but if not why is there beer in the fridge, still havent go the answer to that, my son was abused by the workers at this home, by the doctor who kept him drugged, and the staff he would see on a regular basis touching each other in an inappropriate way, (only on night shift). They have a few houses in the area, one is just as bad as the other.

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