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Cayo Hueso:
NO....I can't believe how narrow minded you are.  I'm not offended that he said that about the staff...it bothers me that he is discrediting HIMSELF AND OTHERS.  He makes himself look stupid when he DOES have some good points and valuable opinions.  I want people to BELIEVE him when he says what the staff there did...if he posts that kind of idiocy, little or no weight will be given to his posts.  THAT is the shame.

DAMN :exclaim:  :exclaim:  :exclaim:  :exclaim:
To laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others; to leave the world a little better; whether by a healthy child, a garden patch or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived. This is the meaning of success.
--Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Anonymous:
You still don't get the point.he is not posting her to give his stories weight, he is letting off steam or entertaining us.Iim sure he couls care less whether or not his post have any wieght to them.and if that is why you cam e here you are in the wrong place,This site is for the discussion of elan and whatever else.You actually think that this or any other anti elan site would be admissable in court?

Cayo Hueso:
No, of course it would never make it into court...that's not even what I was talking about.  I DO get the point.  I guess maybe I feel like he SHOULD care about whether or not people take seriously what he posts...I have A LOT to say about the program I was in...I want to shut every one of those fuckers down.  I don't want one more parent to put their kid in any of them so, I DO care if those people believe the things I say about "the programs".  I WANT to be taken seriously when it comes to an issue that I feel this passionately about.  At first it seemed that Nazi cared about what was still going on there, but he's not helping if people are discounting what he says about Elan because he's an idiot.  The pro-Elan people come on here and see all the backbiting and racial slurs or WHATEVER ELSE IT IS...(the poop eating was an example, no he didn't use that exact phrase every time but pretty close) and they've got to eat it up.  It just gives them ammunition to say that we're a bunch of idiot psychopaths.
Last time explaining it...if you don't get it yet, you never will.
If it is believed that... elementary schools will be better managed by the governor and council, the commissioners of the literary fund or any other general authority of the government than by the parents within each ward, it is a belief against all experience.
Thomas Jefferson
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Cayo Hueso:
Antigen...where's that quote you put up about being able to entertain and idea without adopting it????  Seems appropriate here and I couldn't find it. :wave:
We swore never to be silent whenever human beings
endure suffering and humiliation. We must always
take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never
the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never
the tormented.

--Elie Weisel
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Antigen:
I think you're mistaken, Anon. I don't think everyone who took offense at some of Nazi's posts were defending Elan or their staff. I think some people just get very offended over racial slurs and other obnoxious behavior.

Maybe Nazi's just venting. Maybe he's just trying to draw a crowd. It's working, too. Everyone loves a brawl and certainly a lot of people have dropped by just to see if it could possibly be as bad as it is. That's cool with me. I understand the pro Elan ppl are all a chatter with talk about how crazy and unbalanced the Fornits are. Any publicity is good pulicity, as they say.

Bellis, my dear, don't bother trying to shut anybody up. The rules of this forum make that pretty nearly impossible. That's intentional. Everyone and anyone has all the freedom in the world to make a compelling argument and to win people over through persuasion and reason. But you have every right to fail, too. This is a far different culture from the European forums you usually hang out in.

On the other hand, though, I think all this is really directed at the wrong audience. Ppl who buy in; hook, line and sinker; to the Program philosophy are never, ever going to admit or even comprehend the psyche violence they do to others. They view it as heroic intervention; like risky, but life saving surgery. You won't influence their thinking by assault or by giving them a dose of their own medicine. You're only feeding their delusions of martyrdome, in my humble opinion.

You might influence other people, though, if you'd quit kidding around and tell them the real reasons why you're so pissed off at these people.

I don't really buy into the idea that lawyers and lawsuites are the only effective tools for shutting down this sick industry. I don't even think the lawsuites are the most effective tool we've got. Freedom of speech is really not just about some quaint, artsy fartsy notion of tolerance. It's one of the base tenets of American culture. This goes back to pre American revolution days, when a dozen jurors refused to convict Wm. Penn the younger for preaching in the street, despite having been starved and tormented by the judge in ways that make Elan or Straight or Tranquility Bay look like the Four Seasons.

"Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate to choose the later"--T.J.

I think he was onto something there.


Don't let your dogma run out in front of your karma.
--Anonymous
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