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Green Chimneys, Maltreatment Center
blombrowski:
I have a former colleague who was a student at Green Chimneys until about 2006. He has basically said what I think is fairly consistent with what other people have said here, is that there were staff who would instigate aggression on the part of the youth, and were quick to intervene aggressively. When he was there Dr. Ross was already in his 70's/80's, and from what his experience was, had calmed down quite a bit. As he never had any negative experiences with Dr. Ross.
Wayne, for what it's worth Green Chimneys has programs in New York City, primarily their LGBTQ residence, which I have by in large have not heard bad things about, and their Brewster campus which I have.
Green Chimneys is a big agency. Entire programs and cottages could be "abuse-free". Furthermore, how one defines abuse - for instance if a youth is getting verbally aggressive and is threatening to throw an object at a staff, and the staff intervenes by forcefully restraining a youth so hard that they break an arm - most staff would not consider that abuse, even the licensing agencies after they investigate would not consider that an incident of abuse. Bad practice and something to be avoided, yes.
it's not that I don't trust the survivors stories, I just don't know what their goal is other than to complain.
I have repeatedly offered contacts with the State licensing agencies that could investigate complaints (if anyone here is still interested please pm me). I have shown my colleagues who can investigate complaints in at least one of the cottages the Facebook page, but without alumni coming forward and actually talking, there's little they can do.
Instead, it's let's put up a petition on Facebook! Petition for what? So much energy spent on activities that don't produce anything. It's like this group doesn't want their issue to be resolved.
What is the goal? If the goal is to close Green Chimneys, even if everything that has been mentioned on the interwebs is accurate and can be confirmed, that still wouldn't be enough. The most I think you can hope for is for Green Chimneys to fire and keep fired the actual abusive staff. And for their to be increased oversight and scrutiny so that youth who are at Green Chimneys can make timely complaints.
But, I ask you what is the goal? And if you can figure out what that goal is, I can try to help.
Che Gookin:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---I have a former colleague who was a student at Green Chimneys until about 2006. He has basically said what I think is fairly consistent with what other people have said here, is that there were staff who would instigate aggression on the part of the youth, and were quick to intervene aggressively. When he was there Dr. Ross was already in his 70's/80's, and from what his experience was, had calmed down quite a bit. As he never had any negative experiences with Dr. Ross.
Wayne, for what it's worth Green Chimneys has programs in New York City, primarily their LGBTQ residence, which I have by in large have not heard bad things about, and their Brewster campus which I have.
Green Chimneys is a big agency. Entire programs and cottages could be "abuse-free". Furthermore, how one defines abuse - for instance if a youth is getting verbally aggressive and is threatening to throw an object at a staff, and the staff intervenes by forcefully restraining a youth so hard that they break an arm - most staff would not consider that abuse, even the licensing agencies after they investigate would not consider that an incident of abuse. Bad practice and something to be avoided, yes.
it's not that I don't trust the survivors stories, I just don't know what their goal is other than to complain.
I have repeatedly offered contacts with the State licensing agencies that could investigate complaints (if anyone here is still interested please pm me). I have shown my colleagues who can investigate complaints in at least one of the cottages the Facebook page, but without alumni coming forward and actually talking, there's little they can do.
Instead, it's let's put up a petition on Facebook! Petition for what? So much energy spent on activities that don't produce anything. It's like this group doesn't want their issue to be resolved.
What is the goal? If the goal is to close Green Chimneys, even if everything that has been mentioned on the interwebs is accurate and can be confirmed, that still wouldn't be enough. The most I think you can hope for is for Green Chimneys to fire and keep fired the actual abusive staff. And for their to be increased oversight and scrutiny so that youth who are at Green Chimneys can make timely complaints.
But, I ask you what is the goal? And if you can figure out what that goal is, I can try to help.
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shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit mofo.. You got balls on you fo' sho.
But seriously, I'm curious to hear the answers to these questions as well...
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Che Gookin:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---I've seen these incidents. Staff, on many occasions, cause the problem, and push kids to go off, and create situations that call for restraints. I can't fully explain it, but I know what I saw, and that's what I saw. I call that abuse
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But have you seen them at Green Chimneys? Further, have you seen these incidents recently? Further, are said incidents indicative of a system wide malaise of such an extent that it calls for the systematic dismantling of the entire organizations?
Don't get me wrong... I've seen such staff incidents with provoking restraints myself.. fuck.. I've participated in them (not proud of that either). It's hard not to get involved in these sorts of shens when you work in a program. All in the name of making sure a kid isn't faking and all that shit.
I see where Blommer is going with it though. Just what do the victims want?
and that calling your sister's house.. damn son... creepy.
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