Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Elan School
Some Clarification Please?
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Wanye, scan the monthly progress report and paste them here. I have heard you have run around pasting them for others. I see you won't reveal them to the very people that can bust your ass for the PIMP you are.
Get this fat boy, I will kindly give you my address so you can come here and kick my teeth down my throat, I seriously doubt you have your balls anymore.
You have become our stooge, Wayne (or whatever it is). We use you and your book as entertainment when describing the bullshit you can put on the internet. You are a party conversation favorite in my circles.
So what sexuality are you today, Mr. Tuff Guy.
I see now you have another agency/organization you want to solicit to hear your bullshit. Jesus, there are literally thousands good luck.
You will always have one problem PIMP, perjury. That's right cross examination of the truth.
You won't even make it out of the deposition process. All one has to do is read all the shit you have put out on the internet.
Your contradictions you have written on the blog Absolute Write, Derailed Vol.1 Thread will bury you. I copied it all before you had it scrambled.
Your secret facebook groups sites well they get subpenaed.
Your threats to my family and friends they come into the fold.
I can't wait.
You will be thinking about your home away from home, prison. Since you seem to know so much about male on male sex.
As I have always said this is your shit to deal with. Go get a therapist and get it worked out.
Take care PIMP!!
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Everyone here knows you'll never send it you fucking pussy. Faggot that I am, you're afraid of me.
The best part of you ran down your mother's leg
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---A few points.
3. I don't have to prove what's in my book is true, Danny and Elan have to prove it's not. They've been working hard on that and can't. Believe it or don't, at this point I don't give a fuck.
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I'm sorry, man.. but this where our views on things differ. In a world, where that were the case, things would be very backwards... and well.. fucked up.
The burden of proof is always on the accuser. When law/science/reasoning or anything is practiced properly, innocence never needs to be proven. Guilt has to be established rather... and this is not done through a person writing a book. The person can be anyone and have any motive, or even be mistaken.. Now, perhaps, you consider yourself a straight up guy... but if we applied your logic universally, can you imagine what type of world we would live in...
Anybody could write anything about anyone, and then that person would have to take time out of their lives to disprove it. If you did not like someone, you could just have a bunch of people write stories about them, and they would have to spend so much time disproving things, they would lose all else.
and that's just scratching the surface.. If you apply the principle you are assuming, elsewhere, which, if it is right, there would be no reason not too...
You would have to disprove the claims of every insane person, before you could put them away.... AmityVille Horror guy heard voices, and I can t disprove it.. Until, we can disprove it, we must assume it happenned.
has anyone wrote a book, that thoroughly refutes every detail Mein Kampf, because afterall, we must be fair here, and until that is done, we must assume that everything in the book is true...
Do you see what I am getting at? If not, I don t know what to tell you... Neither Danny nor Elan can called u[pon to claim a negative. I simply don t know for sure, that your claims are correct. You are the only person who has said anything about Danny committing sex crimes, especailly upon other males... I cannot assume it is true, just because someone has said it.
Even this whole fucking van story.. why is there no one who can say- " I WAS THERE! I REMEMBER IT CLEARLY! AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENNED!"
Paul St. John
Paul St. John
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Paul, he gave me permission to print the book and admitted to what he did to Wayne Weaver. What kind of fucking idiot would do that? He's not even that stupid Tell him to sue me if it isn't true. As far as the van story Jerry was there. He says Danny wasn't the driver, that he stood there smiling
The van story isn't in the book BTW. When Jerry said that to me I took it out because I wasn't 100% sure if he drove or not. If I was out to get him I would have left it in. I was very careful about only printing the truth
And, the burden of proof is in a court of law. Danny didn't sue me because he thought an investigation might shake a few witnesses loose
He admitted to raping Yvette Portella. If he didn't do anyone else, why doesn't he call a lawyer? He's afraid of the same thing
Anyway, I'm going to testify to what he did. He won't because his lawyer will tell him not to or he'll end up in jail for perjury
The publishing business is nothing like you think. This is from Celina Summers, a former editor from Aspen Mountain Press who just started her own house, Musa Publishing
--- Quote ---Danny, are you a writer? Or are you just stalking Wayne across the internet trying to refute what he says in his book? Because quite frankly, this is a site for WRITERS, not flame wars.
Wayne doesn't promote his book here. For one, 'promotion' doesn't really apply to free books. Second, this site isn't about book promotion. Wayne has, however, discussed his book here with his peers in the writing community, and his story was gripping enough to cause many of us to check into the history of Elan School and the charges against it.
Here's the major facts as they apply here to this site:
1--If you're here to refute Wayne's book, you're here under false pretenses. You are a cyber stalker, cluttering up a writer's forum with your own personal agenda.
2--No one here cares about who you are, what your history is, or what you did or did not do at Elan. No one here cares if you remember Wayne or not. His book is about what HE remembers from Elan, not you, and it is not his responsibility to compensate for your lack of memory regarding him.
3--It's not our responsibility to investigate the 'war of words' you're having with Wayne beyond what occurs on this site. And, quite frankly, I find it so utterly, horribly creepy that ANYONE would cyber-stalk a victim of abuse and challenge him to verify that abuse or corroborate it in some way that I can honestly say all you're doing is undermining yourself. This behavior is the behavior of an abuser, not a victim. So all you've accomplished with this at least as far as I'm concerned is to confirm everything that Wayne has said--a confirmation, I might add, that has been already provided by hundreds of other Elan victims across the internet.
I'd suggest that it is in your best interests to stop the stalking and just let it drop, Danny. You're not doing yourself any favors with this behavior. All you're doing, in fact, is making his case for him. I would assume that's not your intent?
Let it go. And leave the Elan controversy on the Elan sites, instead of dragging them onto writers' forums that aren't involved.
Best wishes for your future endeavors.
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Now Paul, go to any Elan group and tell them you think I fabricated the book. Not one has said that except Danny, an internet stalker and abuser of women, who has been caught in numerous lies.
I have not
Like I said, believe what you want. You'll be wrong
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Paul, my publisher has deep pockets. Danny would have no problem finding a lawyer to sue them
Also, I never said it was statutory rape, I said she was a 15 year old girl who he had the power to beat and torture.
And, I am going to testify. My lawyer is gathering evidence and will file when he's sure he can make a good case
I didn't come here to argue with you. I liked and respected you enough to answer your questions so I did. I'm done with that. You're obviously not going to believe me. Cool. I don't care. I want you an None Ya to tell everyone I lied and my book isn't true. As I said, I don't give a fuck
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DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Paul, he gave me permission to print the book and admitted to what he did to Wayne Weaver. What kind of fucking idiot would do that? He's not even that stupid Tell him to sue me if it isn't true. As far as the van story Jerry was there. He says Danny wasn't the driver, that he stood there smiling
The van story isn't in the book BTW. When Jerry said that to me I took it out because I wasn't 100% sure if he drove or not. If I was out to get him I would have left it in. I was very careful about only printing the truth
And, the burden of proof is in a court of law.
The burden of proof is fucking everywhere.. It is part of the law system, for good reason.. It is necessary to bring about justice.
Danny didn't sue me because he thought an investigation might shake a few witnesses loose
That might be the case, or it may be because you have no assets, he would recieve nothing monetarily, would have to spend to do it, and if the whole story is really confined to just a few message boards and a radioshow called "bi-polar nation" it doesn t seem worth it.. I don't know.. don t know..
He admitted to raping Yvette Portella. If he didn't do anyone else, why doesn't he call a lawyer? He's afraid of the same thing
That's the problem with so much of the bullshit taht sometimes goes on in this Elan circle, and in message boards and forums in general.. What "doe"s admitted mean? When did he do it? Like I said- I haven t followed all this shit...
I mean, Now, you are saying that Danny admitted to raping her... and yet, you can t even get your fucking story straight... First you say fucking raped her... Then you are making an argument that it was statutory rape, AND THEN.. he never even fucking touched her.. he only asked other people if they would rape her, if they had the chance.. Fucked up? YES! But a big fucking difference between that and actual rape... and at other times, he used his power over her to force her into a relationship... What s the real fucking story.... cause you seem to use whatever is to your advantage at the time..
Anyway, I'm going to testify to what he did. He won't because his lawyer will tell him not to or he'll end up in jail for perjury
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So fucking do it! Why argue with me then?
Paul
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