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Offline Che Gookin

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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #15 on: September 29, 2011, 06:44:15 PM »
Can you be a bit more specific? Your position seems speculative, though to be fair mine does as well. Even the original civil rights act, which was pretty pissweak and not a credit to Eisenhower, was clearly a platform for civil rights.

How does HR 911 act as a platform for youth and the abolition of programs?

Hell I'm toning my intemperate words down a fair bit. I just want people to explain this to me.

You see ever since the ripe old days of 2008 or so I've seen the same statements over and over without any real justification or clarification for them. The entire HR 911 scene seems like one great big echo chamber that moans, "SHUT UP Che, don't rock the boat.. SETTLE for what we can get.."
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2011, 06:58:39 PM »
I was a bit vague. I am at work still, so I probably should not of tackled this now. I will be getting out of here soon. I will elaborate on my ideas later.
Thanks Che for this thread. I knew fornits could also be serious.
Hey Dragon long time no see. My fault.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2011, 07:07:08 PM »
Don't get your hopes up too much, it is now my mission to rape and defile your aspirations for a serious fornits, but only after you explain yourself.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #19 on: September 29, 2011, 08:16:13 PM »
Dragonfly,

Sparky McFucknuts Miller has heard this all before. He knows our concerns, they were extremely loudly versed in 2008. Yet despite them he's pushed ahead, he's put on a show hearing of hand picked survivors and "experts", and had the GAO draw up a report saying as much.

Not that I mind the GAO report, that's about the only good thing to come out of all of this imo.

Like I said, I'm happy to call, but I want to know what I'm calling in support of first. If it is to oppose it, there really is no point in calling.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2011, 11:51:13 PM »
I can give them all the perspective they need. All I need is 1 week, a remote location, and a waiver saying I can terrorize them all I want in a highly program like matter.

Afterwards they'll be going John Brown all all their program asses.

I'll probably have to go into hiding as well, but it is worth the price.

I'll consider your points about calling in. What I may do is finish rebuilding a few things I once tore down and send in something on official letterhead. I'm not a huge fan of the telephone for this sort of thing as it is harder to ignore something in writing. If.. no.. when I send something I'll post it for you.

You have any specific comments you think I need to make about brainwashing? Shoot me some links and I'll include them.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2011, 09:32:53 AM »
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"Change comes slow, but there is no one change within the babylon system that is going to hit home..."

Amen to that.

And just  the fact that no programs would want this bill to pass,is enough to endorse it. No it's not the final soloution you are looking for,But if not for this bill,then what other? Most people in America are not even aware of this problem.They're too worried about Obama-care,the economy,or the mexicans to worry about a bunch of "druggie" kids.This is after all the first time any bill has brotched the TTI at all. I know some people want the Millers,the Semblers ect.. and their henchmen to all die in a firey bus wreck,but congress is not going to provide you with that. "Fourty acers and a mule"is better than being put back on the front row.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #23 on: September 30, 2011, 10:13:37 AM »
And if we're all not confused enough,I think this is the budget for hr 911 911.http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/100xx/doc10012/hr911.pdf
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #24 on: September 30, 2011, 01:00:55 PM »
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We are dealing with a lunatic population of white men, rich white men in suits, who believe in America. You can't mix sense with crazy.

So. . . Successful white guys who dress well and believe all men are created equal, and entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness are crazy?

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the fact that no programs would want this bill to pass,is enough to endorse it. No it's not the final soloution you are looking for,But if not for this bill,then what other? Most people in America are not even aware of this problem.They're too worried about Obama-care,the economy,or the mexicans to worry about a bunch of "druggie" kids.This is after all the first time any bill has brotched the TTI at all. I know some people want the Millers,the Semblers ect.. and their henchmen to all die in a firey bus wreck,but congress is not going to provide you with that. "Fourty acers and a mule"is better than being put back on the front row.

Agreed. Quit right.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #25 on: September 30, 2011, 03:33:57 PM »
Did anybody read that budget? The very first paragraph has some crazy math.
Estemated cost to implement bill;
$250 million per year for years 2010-2014 (5years)
Estimating the cost to tax oayers $786 million.
Can anybody do simple math?
5x250 million = 1.25 billion
1.25 billion - 786 million = 464 million.
Maybe I'm not reading it right. But that's quite a discrepancy.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #26 on: September 30, 2011, 03:44:45 PM »
Accountant in training here.

Appropriation (determine what room we have for costs, I'm guessing) - 5 x 250 million = 1.25 billion

Cost (what we actually figure it will cost) - 786 million

Margin of Safety (Breathing room) - 464 million
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #27 on: September 30, 2011, 03:59:34 PM »
Corruption and bribe money? I guess whenever you move a billion dollars, some pretty big crumbs fall off. I guess they have to make it where they can. There is no anti program lobby on capitol hill handing out checks.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #28 on: September 30, 2011, 05:04:13 PM »
Oh wait, misread it.

That 464 million dollars is for other programs that are already in action.
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Re: HR 911, uggh, again....
« Reply #29 on: September 30, 2011, 07:46:35 PM »
God damn, that budget changed. Started out as 50 million a few years ago.

Now I know I have nothing to worry about, ain't a shot in hell for that legislation with that price tag attached to it.

Whew... saves me having to give too much of a shit.


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Thanks Spanky!


And maybe I'm reading this wrong but it seems like there is a great big pile of wiggle room in this bill for grants to Advocaidiot groups? If it does it explains why the usual suspects are so hot to support this given the potential for being able to line up actual salaries and flying about on the government tit.

Not sure I like the idea of the usual suspects getting government money to go fight evil given their past records of bad judgement calls and attempting to meet halfway with the industry in the name of working with "Good" ... fap fap.. Programs.
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