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Just wanted to inform everbody
Bellis:
Very nice observation Frodrick :smile:
Froderik:
Who are you? I don't think you're Ginger, because she wouldn't suggest the idea of banning anyone. So I guess it's "Heil Bellis," then..eh?
Also, just out of curiousity, are you a "goth girl?"
Antigen:
I don't want to give away Bellis' ID. I'll only say that she's trustworthy enough to do as she's promised (or not, as in going on a mad banning by mob rule binge) with the admin access I've given her. But she's not the final descision maker. The special Spammer designation was her idea, but I gave her the OK.
Frod, why do you think she's goth?
Aside from admin stuff, though, I think she demonstrates a damned fine ability to detect and see past bullshit.
--- Quote ---Bellis:
"All of you need to grow up, and talk this out like ADULTS."
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Oh, if only I could tell you all about who just called ya'll down! Some of ya'll would ROFLYAO, others probably would not.
The scorched Earth method really doesn't work very well in the more commonly accepted reality that exists outside the Program paradigm. What are you trying to accomplish by it?
A lot of different people hold to different views about the purposes of these forums. I've stated some in the terms of use (FAQ #1) but I'd like to expand on it a little. The following is not about what you should do, it's only about why I ever spend any time reading and posting here outside of the hour or so per month required for tech support.
The whole broad issue of the teen help industry, cultism, the politics surrounding them is extremely interesting to me. I suppose that's because of my own need to sort out my experience and to come up with better ways to respond.
I'm not out to punish anyone from my past for anything. I've seen that tried so many times for so many different causes and it just seems to do more harm than good almost every time.
All I'm about is getting people to think critically and to talk about the program. Which do you find more helpful? Making sure somebody you hate knows you think he was an ass kiss or a sadist while in the program? Trying to anger or humiliate them in public? Or letting the tax payors know how the State is going about housing and caring for kids in their custody? Or how the State of New York Committee on Special Education is doing a little publicly funded recruiting for Elan?
http://www.sro.nysed.gov/00-038.htm
Given the number of schools, bootcamps, group homes and in detention implimentations of the method, there is no possible way that this issue could be of interest only to a small, weird, isolated minority. The Program is a subtle, but pervasive, part of our society. Like a perverted uncle, some don't talk about it in polite company. That's one of the big problems I'd like to help solve here. If we could just get people to understand what it is they're supporting, they won't support it. If I'm wrong, well I guess I'm going to have to go be a refugee in some civilized country. But I don't think I'm wrong.
Instead of giving money to fund colleges to promote learning, why don't they pass a Constitutional Amendment prohibiting anybody from learning anything? If it works as good as the Prohibition one did, why, in five years we would have the smartest race of people on earth.
--Will Rogers
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
Froderik:
--- Quote ---Which do you find more helpful? Making sure somebody you hate knows you think he was an ass kiss or a sadist while in the program? Trying to anger or humiliate them in public? Or letting the tax payors know how the State is going about housing and caring for kids in their custody? Or how the State of New York Committee on Special Education is doing a little publicly funded recruiting for Elan?
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All of the above
--- Quote ---better ways to respond
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Has been a struggle for me. I have a short fuse.
--- Quote ---Frod, why do you think she's goth?
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It's her avatar (I'm impressionable) and the tag "perpetually bored." Reminds of a sort of blasé goth perspective. I don't know...does that make sense?
--- Quote ---if only I could tell you all about who just called ya'll down! Some of ya'll would ROFLYAO
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I want to venture a guess...your daughter?
Paul St. John:
Then someone can put up a poll to ban Nazi, and maybe paul&dee too
" You re a fucking idiot. This does not even concern you. For the record, I believe my posts to be of more value, then all of the anonymous posts added up together. Second, Dee, has posted more true life stories of the harsh reality of Elan then pretty much every other member here added up.
and Nazi.. well, let's just say that at the least, he gives the majority of these losers something to talk about. "
Ban away cunt... If that's how it is, it;s not worth my time.. Now do me a favor.. You wanna address me.. address me... and stop talking like you are a teacher, these are your students and I am the bad kid in class, and to that I would also like to add " Fuck You!"
Paul St. John
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