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Marijuana Prohibition Leads to Death of Young Man

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Some more comments left for the above blog entry, "Marijuana Prohibition Leads to Death of Young Man" (by Robert Capecchi; August 3, 2011; MPP blog), #s 21-40:


21 tonya · { 08.04.11 at 8:24 am }
First off mcs and whoever else hr was on a bicycle so what there was no lights its a bicycle22 Lauryn · { 08.04.11 at 8:27 am }
I agree with Anita, being so vague about his medical emergency is too likely to lead prohibitionists to try to twist around the facts and claim that the marijuana somehow helped to lead to his death.

I also agree with the comments that the main problem, of course, was the lack of medical attention while in jail. Had he been arrested but provided with medical attention, he hopefully would have been fine. The lack of medical attention is the unconscionable part here. Yes, your theory that he may still be alive if not for marijuana criminalization is a plausible theory, but still too attenuated to be more than that.

I am curious about the unlawful search and seizure laws in Florida though. Is a minor traffic infraction really enough for probable cause for a search? Or was it so just because he had a record? I wonder if this was an unlawful search to begin with.

I suppose the main point of the article is that small amounts of marijuana should be treated as a civil, rather than a criminal, infraction, and should not run the risk of detention or jail. This I certainly agree with.

(MCS, what's the problem with riding a bicycle at night? AJ, the light issue clearly appears to be a traffic issue, not a charge that he was attempting to rob someone by not having a light.)23 Don · { 08.04.11 at 8:29 am }
How about police start giving a crap about people who they bring to a jail. I know that people are just a number to them but these numbers have lives and families.

I understand that some people are jerks and true criminals but a guy put in and forgotten about for a probation violation? Then he dies because they did their job putting him in a cell and no one cares until he takes his plea deal or gets sentenced or gets a trial.

If you're not willing to watch and take care of the people being arrested, STOP ARRESTING SO MANY PEOPLE. Especially for nonviolent crimes and things like Marijuana. This is one of the big reasons I would support legalizing it, so that we stop wasting resources on things like Marijuana and focus on violent crimes and real drugs like Meth and Heroin.

Prohibition didn't work before and it still isn't working now.

It just creates an underground distribution system, creates violent crime and untaxed monetary exchange.24 cgee2112 · { 08.04.11 at 8:30 am }
Mark # 15 It's about time someone with some thought spoke for a change. ! Thank u for ur post.25 Really · { 08.04.11 at 8:32 am }
Wow, all these comments make it clear why we are where we are in this world....26 Samson · { 08.04.11 at 8:35 am }
Dan & AJ......you are both stupid. If everybody just OBEYed the law...then the U S of A wouldn't be here; because the Tea Party of 1773 would not have happened. The Berlin wall would still be standing....if everybody just followed the law. Women wouldn't have the right to vote & Alcohol Prohibition would still be around if everybody just.....followed the law. I got no problem respecting and/or obeying the law—BUT, an unjust law, is NO law at all.27 4n20Blackbird · { 08.04.11 at 8:38 am }
What this is is gross neglect on the police's part. Why does it take that long to get an emergency unit to the jail? This story makes me sick to the point of puking. Damned over zealous cops.28 Samson · { 08.04.11 at 8:40 am }
And if you are the christian bible-thumpin' sort of thinker,...well consider the story of "Daniel in the Lion's Den". Daniel rebelled against an unjust law......and if memory serves, Daniel was right to do so........29 todd lissner · { 08.04.11 at 8:44 am }
These pigs who arrested him cauzed his death and need 2 b arrested themselves.part of the problem iz the marijuana laws and then there's the issue of the terrible conditions in jails.marijuand nees 2 b legal regardless of the age of the smoker.30 mike · { 08.04.11 at 8:55 am }
This is a sad case, but you're setting up a faulty premise. You're arguing for a child to be found with marijuana and released. That WILL NOT HAPPEN. He will be held, and released to his parents. Even if marijuana were completely legalized for adults, it will still be illegal for children. Even still, it would, in all likelihood, represented a probation violation and he would have STILL found himself in the detention facility.

Further, who is to say that his case would have been treatable? The linked article is sketchy on details. Perhaps he had an aortic aneurysm, which would have been touchy to treat even if it were caught before it became critical.

Simply put, this is a tragedy, but it's not a tragedy marijuana played a significant part in. It's a broken penal system driven by a for-profit company that puts profit ahead of caring for inmates. THAT is the tragedy here, not marijuana law reform.31 Leonard W. Giddens Jr. · { 08.04.11 at 9:01 am }
He was on probation/parole and he rides his bike with pot in his pocket. He is the blame for his own demise, not the law. Was pot used for medication? If so he should have had a perscription. The do gooders at it as usual, it's never the law braker's fault. Give me a brake.32 brian · { 08.04.11 at 9:23 am }
First of all, this was a case of racial profiling. He was a young black man riding his bike after dark. For this simple reason he was stopped, harassed, and then searched. Riding his bike was not probation violation, the illegal search and seizure is the reason he was re-incarcerated. I live in Florida, and have been through the legal system for marijuana possession. It cost me my driving privileges for almost 2 years!! I had to become self employed because I could no longer find anyone who would hire someone with possession charges on their record.....amazing!! The good ole' boy system in Florida is outdated and antiquated. We are no longer living in the 1940's, but yet we treat such minor offenses as if it is murder......No, murderer's can walk after 3 or 4 years, while someone charged with possession, can receive 5, 10, 15 years for possessing a harmless PLANT!!

Someone needs to kick Florida's ass and get this bullshit fixed. I agree with the above post, the police who arrested him, need to be arrested also. Police in Florida, will not give up until they have something they can arrest you for. It is a simple case of harassment and it is sad that it had to cost someone their life. These cops wanted to find a reason to get him back into the system so they could add more charges to this kid, further ruining any chances he may have had to be successful one day.

Remember America, even our President smoked pot, and probably still does for all we know!!! This is a senseless law that does nothing more than ruin lives of innocent people. Guns are man made, they are used to harm people. Meth is man made and kills people. Weed has been here from the dawn of time, harms no one, but yet we are charged as terrorists, murderers, rapists, robbers, etc....

Ridiculous!! Florida, as well as the whole country, needs a total reformation. This needs to be decriminalized once and for all. Alcohol kills more people than anything else we have on earth. More people die from alcohol abuse than those that die from cancer, aids, murder, etc........33 BN · { 08.04.11 at 9:42 am }
Um. "Years old robbery"? That's what you want to make a big deal about?

That means he did it when he was between 12 and 15. HE WAS A KID! As the mother of a 16 year old who is one of the ONLY kids in her groups (notice plural) of friends with no shoplifting charges, I assure you "robbery" is something it seems every kid goes through in their turbulent teen years. Even some of my friends, my father and his friends and my mother's friends were shoplifters and petty theives in their teens. Seems like this young man was behaving pretty damn normally for a teenager.

He TURNED 18 while in detention. STILL A KID upon arrival. Still a MINOR.

Those of you saying this person "clearly has a history of making bad decisions...". Show me ONE teenager, just ONE who consistently makes good decisions or at least one teenager that NEVER makes a bad decision in regards to their respect for the law.

Skip school? oh, well, please put them in a detention center and let them die.

forge your parent's signature for a skipped school day note? FRAUD! Go to jail and die.

I don't even care if he was arrested for probation or weed. I really don't, not after reading some of these comments.

I hope those of you making these remarks are not parents. YOU should be ASHAMED of yourself if you are. I hope your children are PERFECT. I mean, because let's face...there really is such a thing as a perfect HUMAN. *note heavy sarcasm please*34 Leo · { 08.04.11 at 9:55 am }
If he just robbed a bank, was arrested, then died in detention, would you say, "If only robbing a bank was legal, then he wouldn't have died. His chances of survival would have been greatly increased if robbing a bank was legal."?

The facts are, he knowingly committed a crime, regardless of how fair you think the law to be. Compounded by a previous crime, he was sent to detention. End of story.

The headline should have read, "Known criminal dies in detention after no medical care."35 Frank · { 08.04.11 at 10:15 am }
So the article states he turned eighteen on July 2, but does not state what date he died, nor the cause of death.

Arrested June 29th cuffed and sent to detention center. Was it this day that he was vomiting and crying for help? If so, perhaps he had other, more harmful drugs (e.g. Crack cocaine) in his possession which he ingested when the police officers were within sight. This would explain his "medical emergency."

I am a proponent for legalization of possession but I feel this article was not accurately reported as very few facts were given in the story regarding this unfortunate circumstance. The author seems to have used this weak link to marijuana possession as a baseless stepping stone without allowing readers the opportunity to see the entire picture. Due diligence.... do it.36 will · { 08.04.11 at 10:29 am }
People are disgusting if they are in anyway blaming Mr. Perez for his death. There are multiple ways of looking at how wrong this all is. One person comments, "He probably went to jail as a result of probation, not weed." Wrong. He went to jail because some cops decided to stop him on his bike because he didn't have a night-light. Instead of a friendly "hey buddy, you need to get a light on that bike"...or maybe a less friendly, "hey, if I see you again without a night light, I'm going to have to give you a ticket." No, these cops felt it was a means to question and search this young man. How free are we when a cop can harass you for riding your bicycle? People on this blog are so easy to give up their freedoms. I can hear it now, "the cop can search me because I wouldn't have pot on me" – pathetic that they're completely ignorant that they're allowing themselves to be violated by a complete stranger who should have no right to touch or search them in this situation.
And another person states, "he is the blame for his own demise, not the law. " Frightening...please don't have children. While his arrest was completely unnecessary, once he was taken under the control of the officers, he is now the responsibility of those officers and the state that employs them (which btw, means our tax money will be used to compensate this family for their horrible loss). Had the boy collapsed and died suddenly, you might have a point, but he was vomiting and pleading for help for one hour, no, two hours, no...over six damn hours. Who were these officer "serving and protecting?"37 Frank · { 08.04.11 at 10:35 am }
Well after finding the original article linked above, and doing my due diligence, I want to retract my previous post as the information I was looking for was there.
I still feel that the author should have summed up the timeline of events so that we could easily have a grasp on the events.

Date of arrest: June 29th

3 hours prior to detention – Eric smokes marijuana (self admittedly)

Were other drugs used prior to detention?

Date of admission to detention: Not reported

July 10th 0130 Eric complains of headache and hallucinations
Date of death: July 10th at 0751
Cause of death: Not reported

The original story focuses on the lack of medical care due to the superintendents orders to staff to not call 911.

Should Eric have been in jail? Yes, unfortunately he got caught breaking the law while on probation, in Florida of all places.

Does the original article paint the complete picture, no, and it is a shame as it would be nice to know if he was sent to detention on the evening of the 9th which would support my conjecture that he was under the influence of a more dangerous drug.

It would also be nice to know the COD.38 Constitutionalist all the way · { 08.04.11 at 10:40 am }
Mark comment 18: You are completely correct. first and foremost, prohibition is unconstitutional. The Supreme Court made the argument correctly that prohibition against alcohol was unconstitutional. if we are supposed to be a nation of laws based on the Constitution then the argument should be made and supported by the fact that prohibition is and will always be unconstitutional.

Alcohol and alcohol related death and injuries far surpass all the other drug related death in the world. Simple facts are that where the money trail leads for profit there the law will remain.

here is a link to show the point that where the money trail leads.
http://www.elpasotimes.com/ci_18608410? ... ost_viewed

now to address the point made about the death being related to the incarceration. I was in jail for 4 days on a false charge. Setup by the FBI, ATF, DOJ. Was denied my medical treatment legally prescribed by the Dr. No it was not marijuana. This denial of treatment caused a severe reaction from a lack of treatment of a chronic condition requiring treatment legally prescribe medication. This denial due to JAIL policy, not the law, was the reason given for denial of treatment. The result was a condition being irritated by denial of treatment, causing another condition to be caused by refusal to treat. I now have a life threatening heart condition brought on by refusal to treat. So I now have that going for me.

Wake up people, this is not about the law or what is right or wrong, this death was caused by a failed system who denies a basic human right, the preservation of life. it is all about money folks. Follow the money!!![/list]
39 Larry · { 08.04.11 at 11:27 am }
If "weed" had not been unlawful to possess, this young man would still be alive today. Although he was killed by the staff, let us not forget it was Marijuana Prohibition was the impetus that placed him in the facility to begin with; ergo, it was Marijuana prohibition that lead to his death at the hands of negligent staff.40 Ricky · { 08.04.11 at 11:59 am }
Did he get arrested for no headlight or marijuana possesssion, if it was for possession then this is another Drug War travesty. Barney Frank has introduced legalization at the federal level. Google MPP...Select MPP Home Then select Barney Frank, Ron Paul propose legislature that would end federal Marijuana prohibition. There is a letter to urge your legislators check it out if you're serious!

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