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Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL)
« on: April 02, 2011, 10:02:13 AM »
Turnaround Inc.

Anyone know anything about this program? Whether it still exists, what happened to it?

It's allegedly a L.I.F.E. Inc. spin-off, which opened in late 1987 in Winter Haven, Florida.

I couldn't find anything in our database, but maybe I didn't try hard enough...
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Re: Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL)
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2011, 10:20:57 AM »
That sounds about right, there were alot of kids at Life from the Lakeland/Winterhaven area.  I think I even remember them talking about opening a program up there, not sure though, memory is fuzzy.
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Turnaround plans foster care to help kids fight drugs
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2011, 05:09:16 PM »
Here's possibly one of the earliest mentions of it, judging from a quick rummage through Google's News Archives:

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    Parents and teens pitch in to prepare Post Avenue School in Winter Haven for the foster care drug-treatment program.
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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Tuesday, September 9, 1986

    Turnaround plans foster care to help kids fight drugs

    By Richard Burnett · The Ledger

    WINTER HAVEN — with a Sarasota-based organization now serving as a consultant, some local parents and young people are gearing up efforts to establish project Turnaround, a foster care drug-treatment program for Polk County youth.

    Officials of Turnaround Inc. last week retained the services of LIFE (Life Is For Everyone) of Sarasota to help them with the structure, training and other details of setting up a drug rehabilitation program for young people ages 12 to 22.

    Meanwhile, a number of parents and young people have been working on weekends to get the Turnaround building in shape. The Polk County School Board is leasing the old Post Avenue School in Winter Haven to Turnaround for $1 a year, according to Bernadine Spanjers, acting executive director of Turnaround.

    Spanjers is also a board member of the parent drug education/referral group PRIDE, which has been vitally involved with founding Turnaround Inc.

    "We need a lot of donations to make this program a reality," Spanjers said. "We do need money, but we also need materials for the building and skilled volunteer help for wiring and other work."

    Meanwhile, parents and young people have been cleaning up the building, clearing off grounds and doing other basic work to get the site ready for development.

    Organization officials said they hope to get the building and the program ready within a year at the latest.

    "There is a lot of work to do, but I think it is possible to have it ready in six to eight months," said Frank Savoie, a Turnaround board member, facilities chairman and local businessman. "Getting air conditioning for this building is going to be the biggest thing."

    "We don't have a definite target date, but if we really move on it, I think we can open it within eight months," said Rubie Wilcox, a Turnaround board member and Polk County School Board member. "I really believe the community is going to come through for it."

    Aside from the building expenses, Turnaround's bill to LIFE for consultant services also represents a hefty sum. Spanjers said their monthly payment to LIFE is $2,000. By the time project Turnaround opens its doors, consultant costs will total $40,000, with $18,000 more due after the program begins, she said.

    It's a lot of money, but we feel it will be well worth the cost," said Spanjers. "This has been a dream of ours for a long time. There are a number of excellent drug rehab programs for adolescents in Polk County, but because of the 'crack' problem here, they are bulging at the seams. Our program will be modeled on the LIFE foster care concept, which adds a whole new component to drug rehabilitation."

    Spanjers said a number of Polk County young people and their families have traveled to Sarasota to be in the LIFE rehab program, which involves a combination of counseling, family-child co-participation and foster home care. In the Sarasota concept, families who are going through the program with their children act as foster families for young people new to the program, according to Spanjers.

    Polk and other non-Sarasota County residents pay about $4,000 for the LIFE program, according to Turnaround officials. But this figure varies on a sliding scale according to income, officials said.

    The Turnaround program here would cost about half as much for Polk residents, according to Bob Bagby, a Turnaround board member and president of PRIDE.

    "It is just an excellent approach," said acting executive director Spanjers.

    Wilcox said that most adolescent drug treatment programs in Polk County have waiting lists, which make it difficult to deal with the increasing demand.

    "At this point, it is very hard for us to give immediate help to a young person who is in a drug crisis situation," she said. "With this program, we'll be able to do it."

    Anyone interested in making a contribution of money, time or materials to project Turnaround can call 294-1853.


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    'We didn't want to believe she had a drug problem'
    « Reply #3 on: April 03, 2011, 01:26:17 AM »
    Of course, an introductory article like that needs the proverbial "troubled teen saved from the abyss" story to accompany it. Published alongside the above piece was this heartwarming tale:

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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Tuesday, September 9, 1986

    'We didn't want to believe she had a drug problem'

    By Richard Burnett · The Ledger

    The Winter Haven family members in this story preferred to remain anonymous. Confidentiality is a major part of the program in which they were involved.

    Today, the 16-year-old girl's green eyes sparkle, her smile comes easily and she exudes a peace about life. Now she can laugh warmly with her parents about some things of the past.

    Most of all, as a result of a drug treatment program in Sarasota, she is free from drugs.

    Two years ago, she was strung out on pills and alcohol. She was angry and rebellious.

    For more than a year, her parents either remained unaware of their daughter's problem or denied that it existed. They felt they had been good, loving parents; their other children were well adjusted.

    But it happened.

    In the eighth grade, their daughter went from alcohol to marijuana to speed and other drugs that she calls "unknowns."

    Two weeks before her parents put her in the Sarasota-based LIFE program, she was offered cocaine or "crack." Although now she doesn't exactly know why, she turned down the offer.

    " 'Crack' had not become the big thing that it is now," she said. "Most of the people I hung around with then are into cocaine now."

    She said that she tried drugs because of curiousity and a desire to be accepted by friends.

    "I began to hang around people who were into drugs and alcohol," she said. "Just about all my friends then were into it."

    Her parents began to see a change in their daughter.

    "In a six-month period, we saw a total degeneration of her life," her father said. "For a long time, we didn't want to believe that she had a drug problem and she didn't want to tell us that she was doing drugs."

    Her grades went from B's to F's. She altered the grades on her report card to keep her parents from knowing. She shoplifted from local stores. She lied about her friends and where they went on nights out.

    "We wanted to believe her," her mother recalled, "but finally we caught her lying three times in one day about where she had been the night before. And that made us take action."

    Her parents had learned about LIFE from some friends, and they immediately arranged to place their daughter in the program.

    The treatment proved successful. Through the program, she went to live in a foster home and had to earn the right to see her parents again. That process took five weeks, she recalled. After that, her parents visited Sarasota twice a week for open sessions where they would talk honestly about the drug problem.

    She was in the program for 16 months.

    "I had to learn that I didn't need drugs to make myself happy," she said.

    As part of the continuing therapy, she now speaks at public engagements about the drug problem. Her parents also have tried to share with other parents what they have learned.


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    Anti-drug program to launch fundraiser
    « Reply #4 on: April 03, 2011, 09:06:13 PM »
    A coupla months down the road...

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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Thursday, November 6, 1986

    Anti-drug program to launch fundraiser

    By Richard Burnett · The Ledger

    WINTER HAVEN — Officials of Turnaround Inc. said Wednesday they are laying the groundwork for a major $300,000 fundraising campaign to begin in February of 1987.

    Since September, the Winter Haven-based agency has been organizing to launch a new drug rehabilitation program for Polk County youths between the ages of 12 and 22.

    Acting executive director Bernardine Spanjers said Wednesday that the organization already has received almost $20,000 in private contributions. She estimated that the program will need at least $150,000 in its first year of operation.

    "We have not been actively fundraising yet," she said. "But we have gotten some very nice contributions and we're grateful for that."

    Spanjers said that committees had been set up to deal with raising money, remodeling the agency's building, setting up a staff, obtaining insurance and finding a permanent executive director.

    Phil Wortman, director of the Lakeland YMCA, is in charge of the fundraising committee.

    Wortman said that he and other committee members have been planning the structure for the agency's major fundraising effort early next year.

    "We're setting a goal of $300,000 and we're getting our key leadership in position now," he said. "A campaign like this, which will go all across Polk County, is really tough and takes a lot of advanced planning."

    More than 1,400 volunteers will participate in the effort, according to Wortman. He said that the campaign chairman had been chosen and is now setting up the organization structure.

    Wortman would not say who the chairman is but that the man is an "extra prominent and very respected person in the county."

    He said that a widespread publicity effort is planned for when the campaign is officially launched.

    "This will be the biggest fundraising effort ever for a drug rehab program in Polk County," he said. "I can't think of any fundraising effort in general that will be this big. This is quite a massive undertaking."

    In September, the Turnaround agency obtained a building, the old Post Avenue School System for $1 a year.


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    New PRIDE president expects to triple group's membershi
    « Reply #5 on: April 05, 2011, 12:43:46 AM »
    The movers and shakers behind the creation of L.I.F.E. Inc. spinoff Turnaround Inc.: P.R.I.D.E. of Polk County

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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Friday, November 7, 1986

    New PRIDE president expects to triple group's membership within the next year

    WINTER HAVEN — Newly-elected PRIDE president Kenneth D. Clanton said Thursday that the drug education group will focus on expanding membership and supporting its spinoff group, Turnaround Inc., in the coming year.

    The Winter Haven-based group announced Thursday that Clanton was elected president at a recent annual meeting of PRIDE, which stands for Parents Resources and Information on Drug Education.

    He succeeds Robert E. Bagby, who recently became the new president of Turnaround Inc., an agency established to begin a new drug treatment program for young people in Polk County.

    "A lot more people now know more about drugs and the problems of drugs and that should help us grow in membership," Clanton said Thursday. "I think we can at least triple our membership this year. We could do a lot more if we can obtain more members."

    Clanton, a local optometrist, said that PRIDE has 200 members throughout Polk County, but that number represents a significant decrease in membership from its original size.

    But the new president said PRIDE would continue its community drug education efforts and reach out more broadly through school-based programs.

    Joining Clanton as new officers are: Rubie Wilcox, vice president; Patricia Furnival, secretary; and Allan L. Casey, treasurer. Newly elected board members include Dan Mann and Edward Smith.


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    Drug Treatment Program Raising Funds
    « Reply #6 on: April 05, 2011, 10:39:07 PM »
    A wee bit of unreadable text at the beginning of this one...

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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Saturday, February 14, 1987

    Drug Treatment Program Raising Funds

    By Susan Barbosa
    The Ledger


    LAKELAND — ... <unreadable text> ... $300,000 ... <unreadable text> ... planned foster home-type drug treatment program in Winter Haven starts soon with the help of U.S. Rep. Andy Ireland, R-Winter Haven.

    Turnaround Inc. will be a non-profit program for young people age 12 to 22. It is patterned after LIFE Inc., a "positive peer pressure" program located near Sarosota that has treated more than 1,700 families.

    In a letter supporting fund-raising efforts, Ireland called Turnaround "more than just a 'quick fix,' it is a real life-changing process for both young people and their families."

    Ireland plans to host a golf tournament and barbecue at Cypresswood in Winter Haven on March 15 to benefit the fund-raising effort.

    Family involvement is a cornerstone of the Turnaround program, explains Phil Wortman, another supporter of Turnaround and executive director of the Lakeland YMCA.

    Parents are expected to attend talks and meetings at least twice a week. They may also be asked to take into their homes children who are new to the program.

    Turnaround will be housed in the old Post Street School, located next to the Bordo Plant in Winter Haven. The Polk County School Board has agreed to lease the building.

    Supporters hope Turnaround will be staffed in six months and ready to work with about 20 families.

    The cost of the program will be about $4,200 per family, said Barron Burhans, a member of Turnaround's board of directors. Donations will be requested from the community to sponsor families with financial problems.

    The project is the result of a 1983 study by PRIDE of Polk County. The parents' self-help and education group determined there is a need for a local program that teaches users and their families better living skills.

    PRIDE supports the new program, but Turnaround will have its own board of directors and will operate independently, said supporter Carol Bagby.

    The program can take from six to 18 months to complete.

    The Turnaround treatment program is divided into five phases. At first the client attends the program about 10 hours a day and lives temporarily in a home with another client of the program who is further along. In the third phase, the client moves homes and returns to school or work.

    For more information on Turnaround, call 644-9895 or 294-1853.


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    Federal official praises drug rehab efforts
    « Reply #7 on: April 08, 2011, 06:25:20 PM »
    Dr. Donald Ian Macdonald, former clinical or medical director of Straight, Inc., speaks at a press conference and reception in support of Turnaround Inc.:

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    The Lakeland Ledger
    Sunday, March 15, 1987

    Federal official praises drug rehab efforts

    By Susan Barbosa
    The Ledger


    WINTER HAVEN — The director of the White House Office for Drug Abuse Policy came to Polk County Saturday to encourage a community effort to open a long-term, family rehabilitation program.

    And today, U.S. Rep. Any Ireland kicks off a $300,000 fund-raising effort for Turnaround Inc. with a golf tournament at Cypresswood Golf and County Club in Winter Haven.

    "As parents and members of the community, we cannot ignore the drug problem," Ireland said Saturday. "We have to take the initiative and respond as neighbors."

    Modeled after the Life Program in Sarasota, Turnaround evolved from efforts by members of a Winter Haven parents support group PRIDE (Parent Resources and Information on Drugs Education).

    Dr. Ian Macdonald said the federal government has a responsibility to help fund drug prevention and treatment programs, but he praised Turnaround supporters for their grassroots effort.

    "Government can come in and do things," Macdonald said, "but what you have here is a commitment from the community to get this done and I think that is better."

    Turnaround, a 13-to-18 month treatment program, is scheduled to open this summer. It will be located at the old Post Street School in Winter Haven.

    Up to 100 young people, 12 to 23 years old, with addiction problems will attend programs at the school during the day. At first they will live with a family that has a child further along in the program.

    Parents and other family members attend programs several times a week and are involved in stages of the child's treatment and return home.

    Turnaround will not depend on government money, said Bob Bagby, president. It will be funded by contributions and fees.

    Ireland said: "I know that we need this kind of treatment program in Polk County because a lot of our families have been traveling to Sarasota to the Life Program. This kind of rehabilitation where the family participates has saved many lives and it is something a lot of people in Polk County have been working to have here."

    Macdonald, a pediatrician in Clearwater before his appointment to Washington in 1984, spoke at a press conference before he appeared at a Turnaround reception Saturday night.

    He said the "parents movement" against drugs has been joined by a "youth movement."

    "People are seeing what drugs do to lives and they are saying, 'We are not going to take it anymore,' " Macdonald said.

    More young people are aware of the risks, he said, and surveys show that there is a slowing in the number of young people using some drugs.

    "Part of what a drug treatment program deals with is teaching that you don't always get what you want in life," Macdonald said. "People forget what addiction is. Dependence begins when a person comes up against a problem and instead of dealing with it, turns to alcohol or drugs."


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    Re: Federal official praises drug rehab efforts
    « Reply #8 on: April 12, 2011, 08:42:36 PM »
    Quote from: "Susan Barbosa, reporting for The Ledger,"
    Modeled after the Life Program in Sarasota, Turnaround evolved from efforts by members of a Winter Haven parents support group PRIDE (Parent Resources and Information on Drugs Education).

    Dr. Ian Macdonald said the federal government has a responsibility to help fund drug prevention and treatment programs, but he praised Turnaround supporters for their grassroots effort.

    "Government can come in and do things," Macdonald said, "but what you have here is a commitment from the community to get this done and I think that is better."
    It's possible that the notes for Dr. Macdonald's talk at the above fundraiser for Turnaround Inc. on 3/14/1987 ... may be located within the following files from the Donald Ian Macdonald Collection from the Reagan Archives:

      From Box OA 16999:

      PRIDE (1)-(6)
      PRIDE (1)-(5)
      PRIDE Concept Paper
      PRIDE Conference 1986 03/19/1985 - 03/22/1985
      [PRIDE] Mtg with Beny Primm 04/20/1982 in NY[/list]
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      Golf Tournament Raises 3,800 For Drug Rehab Program
      « Reply #9 on: April 15, 2011, 12:39:54 AM »
      Financial tally for that fundraising charity golf tournament, which also included the above mentioned press conference by Dr. Ian Macdonald:

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      The Lakeland Ledger
      Tuesday, March 17, 1987

      Golf Tournament Raises 3,800 For Drug Rehabilitation Program

      By Richard Burnett
      The Ledger


      WINTER HAVEN — Proceeds to the Turnaround Inc. drug rehabilitation program now total about $3,800 as a result of this past weekend's charity golf tournament, according to agency officials.

      As a kickoff to Turnaround's six-week major fundraising campaign, The Nancy and Andy Ireland Family Golf tournament at Cypresswood drew more than 125 golfers including Boston Red Sox pitcher Bob Stanley, according to Bennie Spanjers, acting executive director of Turnaround.

      "This was a super kickoff for the campaign," Spanjers said Monday. "I haven't been this pleased with something in a long, long time. It was a wonderful family day."

      Proceeds from the golf tournament along with several major donations have pushed the campaign's first week total to almost $10,000, Spanjers said. The campaign goal is $300,000, she said.

      Turnaround President Bob Bagby said agency volunteers will continue fundraising efforts through mid-April.

      Bagby said he was very pleased with the kickoff golf tournament.

      "We are thrilled to death to get that much from an event that we had hoped would just let the people know what we are doing," said Bagby. "We found a lot of support from the media and the community and I think we made a lot more people aware of what we're trying to bring to the county."

      Each golfer paid a $50 entry fee to participate in the tournament Sunday afternoon, according to officials.

      A special reception Saturday night featured an appearance by Dr. Ian Macdonald, an official of the federal Department of Health and Human Services and director of the Reagan Administration's substance abuse program.

      At the reception, Congressman Ireland, honorary chairman of Turnaround's fundraising campaign, gave a pep talk to other campaign volunteers.

      Turnaround's fundraising campaign now has more that 1,250 volunteers throughout the count, according to agency officials.

      Phil Wortman and Barron Burhans are fundraising co-chairmen of the campaign.

      Funds raised during the campaign will be used to establish a new drug rehabilitation program for youth in Polk County. The Turnaround program will be modeled on a program now in place in Sarasota called LIFE, which stands for Life Is For Everyone.

      Turnaround officials say that many Polk young people with drug problems have received treatment from the Sarasota-based program.

      "We already have some fine treatment programs here in Polk, but given our current epidemic of substance and alcohol abuse among young people, we don't have enough," said Spanjers. "This will be a new one, and one that we believe will work."

      The LIFE program combines a foster care concept with individual and family counseling over a period of time to treat young people with substance or alcohol addictions.

      Agency officials said they hope to begin the program in four to six months.


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      Aerobic workout benefits drug rehab program
      « Reply #10 on: April 18, 2011, 03:23:18 PM »
      More fundraising activities...

      Caption for pic, showing some women doing aerobics, accompanying the below article:

        Linda Walker and Julie Rice, left to right in back, with Alisa Rawdow in front.
        Ron Barron/The Ledger[/list]

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        The Lakeland Ledger
        Thursday, March 19, 1987

        Aerobic workout benefits drug rehab program

        LAKELAND — Area aerobic instructors are getting together Saturday at Lake Gibson High School gym and donating their time and efforts to raise funds for Turnaround Inc., a proposed adolescent drug rehabilitation program for troubled Polk County youth.

        The Saturday Morning Workout is 9 a.m. to noon, with aerobic instructors providing continuous aerobic classes for donations to Turnaround Inc., a non-profit, foster-home type adolescent drug rehabilitation program dedicated to providing persons ages 12 to 22 the opportunity to change destructive behavior to positive, drug-free lifestyle. The drug program will be patterned after the successful and nationally acclaimed L.I.F.E. Inc. program located just south of Sarasota, which is the nearest facility to Polk County. Many of the families needing the program are unable to make the commitment to drive that distance at least twice a week, making this an important project for Polk County.

        Aerobic instructors participating in the Saturday Morning Workout are Lou Gardner with Aerobic Attic; Julie Rice, the Lakeland Family YMCA; Marcia Luhn and Aurora Hansen, Lakeland Recreation Department; and Alisa Rawdow and Linda Walker with Lakeland Adult Education. Congressman Andy Ireland is the Polk County fund-raising chairman for Turnabout Inc., and all donations are tax-deductible. Minimum donation for the 30-minute classes is $3, or $1 for spectators.

        Contributors will be offered free blood-pressure checks by Quality Care North, a stress success class, a better back and abdominal class, a weight room supervised by coach Tom Ray, a computer printout of body fat composition given by Kay Shramek, and a running class on safety, including a fun run around the campus area.

        Special attention and instruction will be given to beginners, and advanced participants will get a high-quality workout. All participants should come prepared to work out, complete with proper gym floor shoes and loose, comfortable clothes.


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        Re: Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL)
        « Reply #11 on: April 18, 2011, 04:53:24 PM »
        So um ....not to be obtuse but......did this abomination even get off the ground?
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        Re: Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL)
        « Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 11:09:42 PM »
        Quote from: "seamus"
        So um ....not to be obtuse but......did this abomination even get off the ground?
        It sure did. I'm surprised no one seems to have heard of it. Maybe it's just one of those things... perhaps not enough kids went through it, compared to all the other Straight spinoffs.

        You'll have to stay tuned. Coming up soon: an old profile on Rubie Wilcox, who is still, fwiw, a force to be reckoned with. A few years ago, she was campaigning to get mandatory drug testing of all high school students approved by the Polk County School Board.
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        Re: Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL) - off the cuff musing
        « Reply #13 on: May 09, 2011, 11:09:27 AM »
        Some off the cuff musings before I continue...

        There's an interesting typo in the above article, "Aerobic workout benefits drug rehab program." Towards the end, this Straight Inc. spinoff program Turnaround Inc., the subject of this thread, is referred to as "Turnabout Inc.":

          ...Congressman Andy Ireland is the Polk County fund-raising chairman for Turnabout Inc., and all donations are tax-deductible. Minimum donation for the 30-minute classes is $3, or $1 for spectators.[/list]

          Now... "turnaround" and "turnabout" are quite similar both in meaning as well as phonetics, having two out of their three syllables in common, but... I was kinda struck by the usage of the latter due to its being the name of another alleged Straight spinoff founded right around the same time in Utah.

          In 1986 or 1988, depending on which version of their history you believe, a program called Turnabout Ranch was founded just south of Salt Lake City. Like the Straight Inc. model ... they use host homes. They later also added "Stillwater Academy" to their name to reflect the academic component.

          There were other Straight spin-off programs commencing operation in Utah around this same time as well. KIDS of Salt Lake City and one of Layne Meacham's programs come to mind... Meacham, incidentally, and fwiw, had indeed sent an assistant / associate to train with Newton in New Jersey despite his claims or insinuations to the contrary.

          Although the current version of Turnabout Ranch's history cites "a small group of therapists" as being the founding group, previous archived versions cite a parent group. Specifically, a parent group called Parents Helping Parents. Sound familiar, anyone? :D
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          Re: Turnaround Inc. (Winter Haven, FL) - off the cuff musing
          « Reply #14 on: May 10, 2011, 11:46:07 PM »
          Quote from: "Ursus"
          Although the current version of Turnabout Ranch's history cites "a small group of therapists" as being the founding group, previous archived versions cite a parent group. Specifically, a parent group called Parents Helping Parents. Sound familiar, anyone? :D
          From "STRAIGHT, INC. ...an unpublished dissertation" by Miller Newton*, color emphasis added:

            The basic instrument of this re-entry or re-acculturation is the large group (approximately 300 children in St. Petersburg and 90 at our Sarasota branch). The large group represents adolescent peer pressure for recovery, since the same peer pressure originally initiated the children into drug-use. The large group is a transitional or therapeutic sub-culture which serves as a bridge for the children back into the main culture. The large group is both the group of kids and the group of parents. It is based in part on the Alcoholics Anonymous concept "that those people who have a problem and are recovering can best help other people who have the problem". So STRAIGHT, INC. is "kids helping kids" and "
          parents helping parents". STRAIGHT, INC. is a self-help community with trained leaders.[/list][/size]
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          * From the assortment of docs contained within "Cartlon Turner - Letters, Memos, etc." (49p PDF; pp 39-40). Apparently this unpublished dissertation was eventually incorporated into Miller Newton's book Gone Way Down.
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