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SEIU Official Reveals Plan To Destroy JP Morgan
BuzzKill:
Actually - I largely agree with you. Even so, I think the people in general are going to loose a great deal more and it seems that some large unions are involved with how it plays out. The role some of the unions are playing lately disturbs me. And yet, your right that unions are vital if working people don't want to become little more than slave labor. Anyone whose ever worked in a non-union shop knows how bad it can be. And yet - here lately - devistation seems to be what they are working hardest to bring about - b/c if they do destroy the economy - however they do it - they will be making their members far more sub-servant to whom-ever can offer them anything to eat. It reminds me to much of a certain nation in a certain time that people always bring up when wanting to accuse someone else of being power hungry.
We're a union family. I have argued as hard against "right to work" as I have any number of other issues. I am uncomfortable being on the opposite side of politics from the union leaders - tho I am by no means alone. Still, as I have said else-where - this anti-union crap - as a general policy - will not fly with me and if they keep it up they'll loose my vote.
And Yet - the kind of thing found in this sound clip is alarming and depressing and I can not support what the SEIU are plotting or apparently why. Nor can I support a union that will engage in voter intimidation and fraud.
Sometimes it really seems that there are no good guys - just bad ones and worse ones and whose who stays in a constant flux.
I'm not manipulating, I am asking: What do you think they are up to, and why? You think this is OK b/c they're a union? Or b/c you approve of crashing the US economy to redistribute the wealth?
Froderik:
Ajax.. there are problems with some unions, like teachers unions that grant them tenure and heinously degrade the quality of education.
Also, there should be term limits for politicians...
(Perhaps I seem like a "cap'n obvious" to such a learned person as yourself.. )
Shadyacres:
I think it is nice to see someone fighting back for a change, instead of just continuing to bend over and get screwed. Wall Street made a killing off of the misfortune they brought onto all of us. Nobody went to jail, bonuses were still collected. Corporate profits soared. Ajax is right, the financial elite started this fight and have mostly won it, at least for now. BK, you must be one of the lucky ones who still has something to lose. If they protest or demonstrate in my city, I'll be there. Too bad I don't have a mortgage to not pay.
ajax13:
Pointing out a problem with teachers' unions is a non sequitor. See how good the education is when the unions are completely broken and nobody worth a shit wants to teach school. Unions are composed of human beings, and as such are subject to the frailties of all human beings. Unions have been deliberately corrupted for over one hundred years, when their membership was not actually being shot, hung or arrested. Unions, like anything worth a shit in this world, are imperfect. Without them, you get serfdom. It's 100 years since the Triangle Shirtwaist factory cooked off their workforce, those that did't hurl themselves to the street that is, and the garment-makers in India are now paid, in real dollars, less money than those broads in New York in 1911. Capitalism is a religion, just like communism, and just as ridiculous.
Froderik:
So shoot me, I'm a little off topic.
I agree with most of what everyone is saying on this thread... but 2 years and then you can't be fired from a teaching job...ever..?
No, sorry my friend, that's unadulterated bullshit.. smacks of bureaucracy.. :poison:
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