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cleveland:
Laugh out loud, Chairman!

marshall:


I agree. This is exactly what I meant by the assertion that we developed a relative or warped sort of awareness.  If we saw someone starring thoughtfully, we were 'aware' that they were into their head. If someone used non-approved lingo, we were 'aware' that they were trying to be cool. If someone listened to non approved music, read non-approved books or wore non-approved clothing, we were 'aware' that they were hanging on to old images. If they rejected the fundamental worldview of the seed, we were 'aware' that they were obviously full of shit. Again, it was all seed-defined. I've seen this same type of awareness in many other, especially religious  groups. They can become incredibly 'aware' when a member begins to deviate from the ideology.

After I graduated the seed, a former girlfriend came to see me. She had married and just wanted to talk and visit like you would with any old friend you hadn't seen in some time. I was nearly oblivious to anything that she was saying or thinking. The only thing in my mind was that we had smoked pot together several times....along with all of the images and ideas the seed had carefully cultivated in my young mind. 'Druggie asshole, gamey chicks, tying to be cool, crabs in a bucket.' I rudely told her I was straight & didn't want anything to do with her. She was puzzled by my words and explained that she hadn't used any drugs in months.  I remember her eyes filled with tears as she walked away.

My reaction didn't spring from any strength or inner conviction...rather a combination of fear (If you talk to your old druggie friends, they will drag you back down, etc.) and pure programmed response. At the time,  I felt I had 'passed' some important seed test, that I'd stood up to her. Looking back on this now, I see that I actually had a lower level of awareness and sensitivity than is exhibited by the average person. I couldn't see or understand the actual person in front of me because my mind was clogged with all sorts of conditioning and ideology from the seed. At that moment, I really was an asshole.  

Real awareness, empathy and sensitivity imo require a truly honest openness. This openness isn't possible if I am constantly judging & labeling other people based upon some ideological standard.  Oddly, I recall raps about 'not bagging people'. Presumably, this only applied to other seedlings and not 'selfish bastards or druggie assholes.'

I wonder...can real honesty, integrity, compassion or awareness ever be the result of coercion or any sort of mind-control or behaviour manipulation? The seed staff often asserted that we were actually brainwashed by our peer group...our druggie friends. The implication being that the seed itself was a form of deprogramming seeking to free us from a druggie cult. Even if this were true (which is absurd) can you achieve true freedom via substituting one form of conditioning for another? Can any amount of programming or counterprogramming ever result in genuine freedom or the ability to think for oneself?

GregFL:
Damn, you just absolutely and completely nailed that!

 :nworthy:


As to your question..my opinion is no. You cannot acheive any real sense of awareness of the world by following a group dogma. You must be able to be intuitive, responsive, emotional and analytical...all things that we were forced to restrict thru the filter of the program dogma.

It is funny how exlusive groups twist definitions...

Anonymous:
You're tellimg ME? A man that used to be Mike Franzese's right-hand man didn't need thought reform? Oh guy, you've gone to a different level of mind-fucking. I needed it. :wstupid:

Anonymous:
Yeah....you free-mason clown who thinks he's IT, why don't you go out and buy"Blood Covenant" by Mike Franzese and read about him and you might even find some dirt on me too. You don't know how many people wished that they had my chair. :smokin:

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