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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2003, 09:38:00 AM »
How? How do propose to shut down the industry by holding parents accountable? Who is going to take that action, when the majority of people in this society condone the industry? Specific suggestions? Or fantasitical thinking?

Society says a good parent IS god, judge, jury unless they blatantly abuse their child. Then CPS or a guardian ad litem becomes god, judge, jury over the minor.

It has not been established among the masses that there is a "problem" which parents are/ may be contributing to.

If you're suggesting that rampant talking might deter reasonable parents and put a dent in the warehousing of teens industry, then yes. But that is not the same as "holding parents accountable".
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2003, 11:42:00 AM »
Here's an idea! If all of us pay close attention to whatever passes in front of us and respond to any discussion of the teen gulag industry, then the recruiters will have a very difficult time recruiting. Their pitch really doesn't stand scrutiny. It workes entirely on irrational fear.

Here's an opportunity right here:
http://pub57.ezboard.com/fwevebeenthere ... 21&stop=29

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The graduate with an Accounting degree asks, "How much will it cost?"
The graduate with a Liberal Arts degree asks, "Do you want fries with that?"
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2003, 12:39:00 PM »
Deborah it is all about supply and demand.  If you don't hold accountable all of the players, then you have not accomplished anything.  
Close a program today...another opens tomorrow.  Why...because the parents who place their kids in these programs don't see see that they are part of the problem.  They only see their kids as "the problem" and "the programs" as the solution.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2003, 01:15:00 PM »
Parents already commit crimes by sending their kids to be abused. Its called due diligence. The law is nearly impossible to enforce because the kids lack the right to even write a letter to a lawyer and ask for help.

What needs to be reformed are the rights of kids. No involuntary commitment without a fair hearing.
Free and unmonitored communication with a lawyer, parents, and anyone else while they are committed.
 
Mandatory Mininum of 5 years prison time for anyone who misrepresents an unlicensed "treatment" center as just a boarding school or any other common child care business such as a summer camp whether through advertising, referrals, or by lying on state licensing/registration documents.

Specific provisions should be included that make the owner/operator and/or all members of the board personally liable for criminal activity on the part of the facility and staff. That means if that program operators will closely monitor everything because it is their ass on the line.

Licensing for all programs, strict requirements, random inspections, instant termination of license power given to the inspectors. Inspectors should be able to instantly suspend the license of any program for 30 days and pull all the kids out. This power should be protected from all judicial injunctions until a hearing. That means no program owned judges can issue injunctions to keep the inspectors from shutting down an abusive program.
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2003, 03:41:00 PM »
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Why...because the parents who place their kids in these programs don't see see that they are part of the problem. They only see their kids as "the problem" and "the programs" as the solution.


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