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Art Barker & the Beginning of the SEED
rjfro22:
The Seed saved my life as well, and I am forever grateful to Art Barker. Through 71 and 73, I was accepted with open arms and tough love
and my family had no money and I knew many people that were on the program that paid out nothing . If a family could afford it they probably were encouraged to donate. Yes it was tough
at times, but I was incapable of running my own live and the Seed helped me with the basic principles. I always remember the "keep it simple stupid" Does anyone remember that one or am I confusing that with something eles? Anyway that saying still applies to me to this day. I always remember Art saying " There is a little truth to everything, but nothing is all true". He was right on the money . Art should be praised for the good he did, and yes he is a Hero in my book.
GregFL:
praise away guys. all opinions are encouraged here.
Welcome both of you. Please read thru the sdf and then post us a story on a specific experience you had while at the seed, what location, etc.
Welcome to the SDF!!!!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-03 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I went to "The Seed" in 1973 at an old abandoned race track in Miami. My father saved my life by putting me in the program. I had been living in Virginia with my Mom and I was getting into a lot of trouble doing drugs, running away. I was on a downward spiral. The Seed helped me to become drug free and also to stay away from the old druggie friends when I returned to Virginia.
The misconception that kids were brainwashed was ludacrious. The Seed and Art Barker should be commended for an excellent program well run. I'm sorry to hear that it is nonexistant. If you want proof of my experience in the program I will be more then happy to elaborate more.
Sincerely,
SBennett-K email address Kidz2810@aol.com"
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ELABORATE PLEASE:
GregFL:
--- Quote ---On 2004-09-03 22:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
My father saved my life by putting me in the program. I had been living in Virginia with my Mom and I was getting into a lot of trouble doing drugs, running away. I was on a downward spiral.
The misconception that kids were brainwashed was ludacrious. "
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So tell me, Did every Kid that ran away or did some illegal drug you know that didn't go to the seed Die? Did every kid that went to the seed survive? How can you make such a bold statement that it "saved your life" with no evidence other than a constant drilling of this information into your head while in the program? Interesting that all pro seed supporters seem to spew this very same line....
And you must know how I personally respond to your statement that brainwashing in the Seed was "ludicrious", so lets look at some other comments from other people.....
"Some people call it brainwashing. If that's what it is, then give it to me"."
A seed parent being interviewed by Staff writer Judy MckNight, St Pete Times, Circa 3/73.
Seed uses "the highly refined brainwashing techniques employed by the North Koreans in the early 1950s
Senator Sam J. Ervin Jr., prefacing his report, "Individual rights and the federal role in behavior modification."
"There are indications that a cult of The Seed has developed"
from a House congressional committee staff report on the seed.
speaking of a direct seed descendent copycat program called the SAFE, Inc which uses substantially similar techniques,sings the same songs, follows the same steps and open meeting confessionalls....Internationally known Cult Expert Steve Hassan, author of "breaking the bonds"
"SAFE fits my model of a destructive mind control cult"
and in conclusion.....
"its a form of brainwashing"
Art Barker, speaking of the techniques of the seed, to the Miami Herald 8/19/72
[ This Message was edited by: GregFL on 2004-09-07 20:44 ]
GregFL:
--- Quote --- Art should be praised for the good he did
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If so, then should he be accountable for the harm he did?
--- Quote ---and yes he is a Hero in my book. "
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you and I have a different book, have experiences colored by our personal perspectives.
As a side note, I just read an article where Tom Cruise said scientology "really is the shit" and praised L Ron Hubbard. I bet you a dollar he doesn't think he is in a cult......
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