Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Straight, Inc. and Derivatives
WInston Churchill on "Sobriety"
Derek2002:
Re: Aftermath Not all of them where hunted down many where brought back to the usa and outher country's by are beloved cia most at a later date where exposed the cia wanted them because they where experts in brainwashing and all kids of crap check out the noam chomsky archive on the net he has alot to say about the whole ordeal
Blopa:
Re: Struggling Teens made me sick to my stomach. OK, suppose now that you have your own teens and they behave like my 17 years son does: smokes pot all the time every day, skips school, gets kicked out of schools, breaks curfew, screams insults at me, refuses to be drug tested, steals money from us, punches walls and windows, gets traffic tickets for doing 145 on a 65 mph hway, lies. What would you do? I honestly ask that question because I did place him in a 'facility' out of desperation. I can use your advice on how to help him get healthy and, ultimately, keep him alive and drug free (from cocaine, pot, alcohol, acid and ecstacy, all of which he did when he was out).
FaceKhan:
Everyone Changes Well, I would be very concerned as to where you sent him. No one here is saying that all drug treatment and programs for teens are bad, we are just saying that many of them are and parents need to be aware. Many of the people who went through STRAIGHT, CEDU, TeenHelp, SAFE, KIDS and other abusive programs, did not have a substance abuse problem until they got out of the program and had to deal with the trauma and those who did have problems going in often had far worse ones after their stay at a facility or program.
Have you ever considered that your son might work out his problems on his own, one of my best friends used to get into a lot of trouble, dropped out of school, ( most of it before I knew him) and did a list of drugs so long that it would probably make your son feel inadequate. Now he is 18 and he cut out most of the drugs, is considering college, and he works full time.
Parents often don't take steps early to help their kids. They wait until they are desperate and then they go to an extreme often more to help themselves feel good than to help their kids. Most drug use, family, and behavior problems are better treated in an outpatient setting or with a private therapist. Residential settings often destabilize people, and unfortunately that is used to the advantage of those people who operate abusive residential programs. I recomend you peruse this list of red-flagged programs, although this is just a partial list it can be useful. homestead.juno.com/ive_be...rnings.htm
and also there are twp checklists of common elements found in abusive and fraudulent programs
homestead.juno.com/ive_be...eware.html
and nospank.org/beware.htm
If you already knew he was doing drugs, why bother drug testing him? It would not alleviate your concerns if he came up negative because the tests are innaccurate and easy to beat. Generally the only drug that tests positive beyond a few days after use is Marijuana which shows up for about a month. Lets face it, pot is not exactly something for a parent to freak out about. I know people who smoke with their parents and I know kids whose parents put a lot more stigma on alcohol, although they are Pakistani and Muslim so alcohol is a much bigger transgression than weed in their culture.
kaydeejaded:
Parents My parents really think that they saved me through Straight. They think that the basic ideas were good and well intentioned but maybe the program got out of control. Yeah OK communism was a good idea and it got twisted and went out of control. Any argument in my opinion can be vindicated in that way. I am still so angry that is such a problem for my family and me. I know it is wrong but sometimes I throw it in their face how my life was ruined because of Straight. I read the posts here saying to stop whining ect.. but I'm still so angry. Nothing was the same after. Dumb sidebar:for a part time job application at Marshalls (a clothing store) there was an entire essay dedicated to writing about my ability to follow directions, obey authority, how reliable I was and all about my attitude. Also (of course) the have you done drugs would you lie for a co-worker if they were your friend and stole ect.. I know this is rambling off the subject but really what type of questions are these? Nazi sh*t? Is this what should be on an application to a f**king clothing store? Please if you think I am trippin please tell me ... translation just in case you need it trippin...buggin...crazy.. mistaken. Hey you know NY slang is different I am never sure what you guys say and don't. Really am I wrong or is this more of the same. The land of the Free (to do what let me know) and no I do not want to be in any other country but can we improve this one??? I do not have to sell my soul to Marshalls. In a fit anger I responded to their Nazi screening program test with total honesty.. sorry but I hate authority power=abuse of power. Hell no I would not rat my friend out to your company that's my friend who the f*ck are you? And oh I CAN be reliable and I'm very honest, follow directions that are important and Marshalls get me on a bad day and my attitude sucks. Is the PTSS (post traumatic STRAIGHT syndrome) or just me? Sorry to ramble.........Kady
ramprato:
Parent the Parents NO I don't think you're tripping or rambling. What you going through are the after effects of being in a mind rape mill. Face it, your world was turned completely upside down when you were put in Straight and after everything was said and done, it was left all up to you to pick up the pieces, or clean up THEIR mess. It takes a lot of guts to stand up to people like family members and supporters of mind rape mills, they really do believe what Straight did was a great thing.
I had to deal with my own family and no it wasn't fun, but I really was at the point where I didn't give a damn about life, maybe not to the point where I was considering suicide, but I know I was well on my way to a nervous breakdown. I mean there is nothing in the world like having some jack ass director of the Straight I was in read off all my private memoirs to the group and then hear from clueless people who were either parents or supporters of mind rape mills tell me it was for the good, I find that attitude to be just plain stupid.
"They think that the basic ideas were good and well intentioned but maybe the program got out of control. Yeah OK communism was a good idea and it got twisted and went out of control."
Couldn't agree more, Straight and it's spin-offs were/are using experimental and unproven (to this day) means of thought control, manipulating well to do families to believe that they could treat a young person regardless of their situation or troubles, but failed to mention "as long as there was money involved, and as you know, everybody got diagnosed as having a "drug problem".
Then you spent the next few years hearing from literally anybody who was ALLOWED to be in your life how f.u.c.k.e.d. up you were. What I am trying to say is that your feelings and emotions are soooooo valid, you have every right to be angry, absolutely. I am currently in therapy working through a lot of this because I don't want to go through the rest of my life angry, I wasn't to get better, I don't ever want to be in the point I was a few years ago, I came so f-in close to a nervous breakdown, I never want to be there again so I'm willing to work as hard as I can to prevent it. I command respect from my family now including some parents my family are friends with who recommended Straight to my parents, can you believe they are still brainwashed?
It's wonderful to tell people like that, that Straight was f.u.c.k.e.d. up and that it damaged me, and thanks a f.u.c.k.i.n.g. lot for your "help" that will be the last advice you ever send me in my lifetime. I just put it ALL right back on them where it belongs, it gets them thinking that maybe it wasn't all sunshine and sprinkles after.
As for your application, that seems to be the norm, I don't know why these companies even bother to make an attitude test an application requirement, most people know how to fill those out if you know what I mean. They Made me fill one of those out for a job and at one point they were focusing on getting along with others, well I got hired and like jobs I had before that didn't require an attitude test, there were still jerks working at the place that required one, imagine that.
I admit that also because I'm healing and standing up to those who once tried to "help" me, it has strained relationships with them, but I would never trade the person within me I'm getting to know now for anything. I will work to be closer to those in my family but that doesn't mean I'm ever going to put up with their bulls.h.i.t. again. Actually my mother and I are starting to get a more adult relationship now and I'm more comfortable with that, it's much better than it was, I can keep my sanity better
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