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Offline ramprato

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« on: November 16, 2003, 10:49:00 PM »
Looking for former clients who were actually in PFC who know what happened there. If you believe you were mistreated in PFC, please respond to [email protected]

Thanks, Ken
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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2003, 08:47:00 PM »
first of all i think its pretty pathetic everyone is calling themselves "survivors". stop feeling sorry for yourselves. 2nd..im a relativley recent graduate and i would love to tell you abuot the program. probably the people most willing to talk abuot the program will be those who left the program 10 years ago and all they want to do is bash it and it will be incredibly biased.
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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2003, 09:47:00 PM »
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"first of all i think its pretty pathetic everyone is calling themselves "survivors". stop feeling sorry for yourselves. 2nd..im a relativley recent graduate and i would love to tell you abuot the program. probably the people most willing to talk abuot the program will be those who left the program 10 years ago and all they want to do is bash it and it will be incredibly biased.  "


 :roll: Welcome to the outside world, people here have a right to say whatever they want. If they think they had a bad experience in Pathway, they have a right to that opinion, and if they consider themselves to be survivors of what they consider to be a cult, that's none of your business.

"stop feeling sorry for yourselves." ???? ~ LMAO, I feel sorry for you, you're the one really doing a piss poor attempt to throw your cultist "judgments" on all of us, give me a break, you are dealing with people who were in Pathway's mother program Straight well before you were even a (hmmm, let's just say 'born')
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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2003, 09:59:00 PM »
Well, you may be right. We may all be terribly biased. I can tell you that, if someone picks my pocket once, I'm going to be rather biased toward them the next time I see him coming. Sometimes, it's warranted.

Here's a very unbiased, neutral definition of brainwashing. You decide what fits and what doesn't.

Dr. Robert J. Lifton's Criteria for Thought Reform

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Any ideology -- that is, any set of emotionally-charged convictions about men and his relationship to the natural or supernatural world -- may be carried by its adherents in a totalistic direction. But this is most likely to occur with those ideologies which are most sweeping in their content and most ambitious or messianic in their claim, whether a religious or political organization. And where totalism exists, a religion, or a political movement becomes little more than an exclusive cult.

Here you will find a set of criteria, eight psychological themes against which any environment may be judged. In combination, they create an atmosphere which may temporarily energize or exhilarate, but which at the same time pose the gravest of human threats.

(a brief outline)

MILIEU CONTROL
The most basic feature is the control of human communication within an environment If the control is extremely intense, it becomes internalized control -- an attempt to manage an individual's inner communication Control over all a person sees, hears, reads, writes (information control) creates conflicts in respect to individual autonomy Groups express this in several ways: Group process, isolation from other people, psychological pressure, geographical distance or unavailable transportation, sometimes physical pressure Often a sequence of events, such as seminars, lectures, group encounters, which become increasingly intense and increasingly isolated, making it extremely difficult-- both physically and psychologically--for one to leave Sets up a sense of antagonism with the outside world; it's "us against them" Closely connected to the process of individual change (of personality)

MYSTICAL MANIPULATION (Planned spontaneity)
Extensive personal manipulation Seeks to promote specific patterns of behavior and emotion in such a way that it appears to have arisen spontaneously from within the environment, while it actually has been orchestrated Totalist leaders claim to be agents chosen by God, history, or some supernatural force, to carry out the mystical imperative The "principles" (God-centered or otherwise) can be put forcibly and claimed exclusively, so that the cult and its beliefs become the only true path to salvation (or enlightenment) The individual then develops the psychology of the pawn, and participates actively in the manipulation of others The leader who becomes the center of the mystical manipulation (or the person in whose name it is done) can be sometimes more real than an abstract god and therefore attractive to cult members Legitimizes the deception used to recruit new members and/or raise funds, and the deception used on the "outside world"

THE DEMAND FOR PURITY
The world becomes sharply divided into the pure and the impure, the absolutely good (the group/ideology) and the absolutely evil (everything outside the group) One must continually change or conform to the group "norm" Tendencies towards guilt and shame are used as emotional levers for the group's controlling and manipulative influences Once a person has experienced the totalist polarization of good/evil (black/white thinking), he has great difficulty in regaining a more balanced inner sensitivity to the complexities of human morality The radical separation of pure/impure is both within the environment (the group) and the individual Ties in with the process of confession -- one must confess when one is not conforming

CONFESSION
Cultic confession is carried beyond its ordinary religious, legal and therapeutic expressions to the point of becoming a cult in itself Sessions in which one confesses to one's sin are accompanied by patterns of criticism and self-criticism, generally transpiring within small groups with an active and dynamic thrust toward personal change Is an act of symbolic self-surrender Makes it virtually impossible to attain a reasonable balance between worth and humility A person confessing to various sins of pre-cultic existence can both believe in those sins and be covering over other ideas and feelings that s/he is either unaware of or reluctant to discuss Often a person will confess to lesser sins while holding on to other secrets (often criticisms/questions/doubts about the group/leaders that may cause them not to advance to a leadership position) "The more I accuse myself, the more I have a right to judge you"

SACRED SCIENCE
The totalist milieu maintains an aura of sacredness around its basic doctrine or ideology, holding it as an ultimate moral vision for the ordering of human existence Questioning or criticizing those basic assumptions is prohibited A reverence is demanded for the ideology/doctrine, the originators of the ideology/doctrine, the present bearers of the ideology/doctrine Offers considerable security to young people because it greatly simplifies the world and answers a contemporary need to combine a sacred set of dogmatic principles with a claim to a science embodying the truth about human behavior and human psychology

LOADING THE LANGUAGE
The language of the totalist environment is characterized by the thought-terminating cliche (thought-stoppers) Repetitiously centered on all-encompassing jargon "The language of non-thought" Words are given new meanings -- the outside world does not use the words or phrases in the same way -- it becomes a "group" word or phrase

DOCTRINE OVER PERSON
Every issue in one's life can be reduced to a single set of principles that have an inner coherence to the point that one can claim the experience of truth and feel it The pattern of doctrine over person occurs when there is a conflict between what one feels oneself experiencing and what the doctrine or ideology says one should experience If one questions the beliefs of the group or the leaders of the group, one is made to feel that there is something inherently wrong with them to even question -- it is always "turned around" on them and the questioner/criticizer is questioned rather than the questions answered directly The underlying assumption is that doctrine/ideology is ultimately more valid, true and real than any aspect of actual human character or human experience and one must subject one's experience to that "truth" The experience of contradiction can be immediately associated with guilt One is made to feel that doubts are reflections of one's own evil When doubt arises, conflicts become intense

DISPENSING OF EXISTENCE
Since the group has an absolute or totalist vision of truth, those who are not in the group are bound up in evil, are not enlightened, are not saved, and do not have the right to exist "Being verses nothingness" Impediments to legitimate being must be pushed away or destroyed One outside the group may always receive their right of existence by joining the group Fear manipulation -- if one leaves this group, one leaves God or loses their transformation, for something bad will happen to them The group is the "elite", outsiders are "of the world", "evil", "unenlightened", etc.

Excerpted from: Thought Reform And The Psychology of Totalism, Chapter 22, (Chapel Hill, 1989) & The Future of Immortality, Chapter 155 (New York 1987).

A Freudian slip is when you say one thing but mean your mother.

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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2003, 02:40:00 PM »
I'm a recent graduate of Pathway, and I can attest to the fact that what the Straight Survivors say is very similar to what goes on in PFC. Wait until you've been out of PFC for a couple of years. You will be back here with new insight. Brainwashing takes a while to start wearing off. EMSR
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2003, 06:06:00 PM »
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On 2003-11-17 17:47:00, Anonymous wrote:

"first of all i think its pretty pathetic everyone is calling themselves "survivors". stop feeling sorry for yourselves. 2nd..im a relativley recent graduate and i would love to tell you abuot the program. probably the people most willing to talk abuot the program will be those who left the program 10 years ago and all they want to do is bash it and it will be incredibly biased.  "

This has got to be one of the most feeble attempts to produce a well constructed and practical argument ive ever heard. i was enslaved in the pathway program fom 10-16-00 to 2-14-02. I did indeed pull myself at seventeen. I will talk badly about thisprogram because i was there. i experienced that hellday in and day out for sixteen months along with my parents my family and all of the REAL friends i had waiting for me. pathway lies. there are many graduates a well as pulls who are doing EXTREMELY well for themselves in their lives. myself and the numerous other former pulls and graduates who will tell you this program is insane. te staffthere are some of the most two faced lying cheating sons of bitches ive ever had the impleasure of coming in contact with. theyd rip you apart till you felt like shit and then make you smile in front of the families, or as my family  unaffectionatly calls them"customers". give us $30,000 a year and we'll fix your kid. thatsnot how its presented but their programs gt a worse basis to it than a lemon dealing used car salesman. if you are a graduate of the program around my time pm me. that way i wont have to shoot down your beloved brainwash camp  in public, and you won't feel like such an ignorant ass. :smokin: ---smith
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2003, 08:58:00 AM »
:grin:  I Just sent you guys a private message  :tup:

Have a great day ..... Ken
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2004, 05:01:00 PM »
ken is a fucking fag and so are you
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