Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Candid Camera on Carey
Anonymous:
Of course it makes me sick, or I wouldn't be here.
In the other issue where I'm active, we have people who have occasionally done really obnoxious things such that many of us feel about them the way many of you feel about Carey.
Fine. It's 100% okay for you to feel that way. I understand why you feel that way. I'm just saying that focusing on it and letting it divert your time and effort is counterproductive.
And I've heard ranting not just about Carey, but sometimes some of it spills over onto Ginger, and some of it spills over onto ISAC---and it's counterproductive.
I'm not saying take someone you don't trust to your bosom and tell them all your gameplans and personal details, I'm saying you guys would be better off just ignoring the hell out of her and just posting a link to a page that explains why you have a problem with her if the subject comes up with newbies.
She would be better off just posting a link to a page with her side of it when the subject comes up with newbies, because all of you are repeating yourselves.
BOTH sides are losing by spending so much time on this spat. The only ones winning from the ongoing vocalness of the spat are the TBS's.
I'm not saying kiss and make up. I'm saying go ahead and accept that the divorce is final and quit hashing it over and over again. Stick a fork in it, it's done.
On the stupid PURE thing, even if they completely, totally suck, if they're willing to change the laws for more meaningful government oversight, and more safeguards before kids are incarcerated, and put in place (for example) an ethical checklist for when your kid is just a normal obnoxious teen that doesn't need to be placed *anywhere*, then they're AT LEAST TEMPORARILY fellow travelers, too (don't shoot me!)----because those are more safeguards than the poor kids have NOW.
A kid addicted to prescription pain meds, heroin, or alcohol needs residential treatment. A kid who is actively threatening suicide needs residential treatment. A kid who is actively threatening violence as a result of a major mental illness needs residential treatment.
There will HAVE to be some small number of TBS's to deal with those cases. They can at least be GOOD TBS's with COMPETENT pshrinks who will keep the kid caught up on his schoolwork and send him right back home once he's gone through detox or is stable on medication (whichever applies).
And in some cases, if the kid just doesn't get along with his/her parents, there will be a need for academic boarding schools just because the KID would rather be there than with his/her asshole parents. They should at least be GOOD academic boarding schools that don't try to therapize a kid just because he/she doesn't like his/her asshole parents. (Kid may be an asshole, too, but may get along fine in an academic boarding school away from Mom and Dad).
So IF Pure or whoever are willing to submit to meaningful changes to clean up their act (and I have my doubts, but it's at least theoretically POSSIBLE), then fine. Put the changes they'll willingly submit to in place first and then hash out the details of fixing whatever problems are left.
Now, the rest of you may have very good reason to believe Pure is not sincere about cleaning up their act. I haven't been around long enough to know, yet. I'm leaning against believing they're sincere because of their reaction when Ginger posted a hypothetical typical annoying teen and they looked like they were quite willing to find someplace to incarcerate a kid who didn't need it.
But, hypothetically, say ONE company was willing to submit to full regulation, a court hearing for the teen before commitment (with right to separate representation for the teen--separate from his parents), specific, limited, and appropriate criteria for commitment---well, great. Then that ONE company should be the ONE company that would survive the shakeout in a much reduced industry that ONLY handled the few cases where inpatient commitment is necessary and appropriate.
Anyway, that's what I think. Gotta go.
Anonymous:
Finally, someone with some intelligence! We are not letting it divert our attention. Quite the contrary. We just like messing with her and letting her know that we will not just roll over and let bygones be bygones and it's ok to turn over confidential information to the enemy. And it's just damned hard to sit back and read her posts about her honesty and "HER" truths. But your right, the worst thing we could do would be to ignore Carey. She can't stand not being the center of attention. Thanks for your insight :tup: . And by the way, I commend ISAC 100% for the hard work that they do. They are a group of awesome people.
Anonymous:
Suck it up!!! Maybe ISAC will let you take over their bulletin board to promote your agenda. God knows you people have run the clock out here.
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Anonymous:
I don't need to suck up dick head. I merely made a statement. Your probably too ignorant to know the kind of work they do. ::bangin::
Anonymous:
Yup, that is definitly a sucking sound I heard. Personally, I don't doubt ISAC is doing some good but so is Fornits, and in particular, Ginger. So trek on over to ISAC's board or any other board and help yourself to some bandwidth that better supports your agenda.
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