Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Candid Camera on Carey
Anonymous:
Ginger,
Come on! She turned over 7,000 e-mails. How in the hell can I give you information on 7,000 e-mails? How do I know she was the one who turned them over? Because the WWASP attorney's informed our attorney that it was Carey Bock. Whether you or anyone chooses to believe that is your choice. I have never made an accusation to the effect that Carey is vindictive. I know that for a fact. Why else would someone stay involved with a group of people dedicated to helping get kids out of abusive facilities and then take that information and turn it over to WWASP? Why? It's not because of PURE or Carey's hatred of Sue Scheff it's because she got pissed off because she was kicked out of the group because she posted confidential information and we as a group felt she could not be trusted. Bingo! We were right. :idea:
And for your information....yes the seeds of a class action was indeed in the planning along time ago and know one would touch the case....however, I have been actively involved with the goings on before Huron. I don't claim to take credit for anything individually. We do things as a team. What would you know about dignity? :???:
Anonymous:
Anon, so true. I wish everyone could see what Carey is like you do.
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---It's not because of PURE or Carey's hatred of Sue Scheff it's because she got pissed off because she was kicked out of the group because she posted confidential information and we as a group felt she could not be trusted.
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Here we go again. This is why I was booted.
--- Quote --- I would like to share my boot letter. Also, what preceeded this letter was another accusation that I released information that did not belong to me which was absolutely false and I can prove it if necessary with other emails. See what they say I am guilty of "You have such powerful enthusiasm and the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members."
Here the one that led up to it that "condeeds" that I did not release information that did not belong to me and the second which is the actual boot and why.
Subj: Re: Fwd: [Trekkers] Woodbury
Date: 5/16/03 5:06:44 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
At 05:20 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bkdelong@pobox.com
Subj: Removal from list
Date: 5/16/03 6:59:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From: careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
Carey -
I have received an email from Marie XXXXXXX stating that she did not understand who Lon Woodbury is as her English is limited and she, as well as Chris, were shocked that the images were sent to him once they found out who he was.
Because of that, and several listmembers emailing me off-list combined with the continued lack of control over your emotions, I am removing you from the list.
I truly hope you take some time to mellow out a bit and start thinking about consequences of your actions. You have such powerful enthusiasm and
the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members.
Thanks.
--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong@pobox.com
That is them. And so you will know I do have the emails requesting that I question Lon about the pictures. That is what I did and that is all I did. However, I still believe they should be released to the public. So, I was booted for not agreeing with the "group."
I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members.
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Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-11-16 20:38:00, Anonymous wrote:
"I never had my child in a WWASP program. I am connected out of concern of all you survivors. Yes, Ginger, you included.
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Oh please don't help me! I've had all the help I can stand. If you intend to help me some more, you'd better know that I'm fully prepared to defend myself!
--- Quote ---You ask if maybe Carey had made a mistake and we should just forget it. Could you, if you were still locked up and her mistake cost you staying there?
The info she gave WWASP made numerous people nervous about responding to parents in need of answers. Is this right? Maybe, I was ugly earlier to you, if so, I apoligize, I just ask you to understand what Carey's actions have done. Mistakes like this hurt kids."
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According to the updated complaint, they're talking about emails received in October. The bullshit attacks on Carey started long before that. Has it occured to you that maybe your harsh treatment of her had it's intended effect, got her pissed off and upset beyond reason?
And yes, I could forgive such a mistake. My own dad kept us kids in these programs over the course of 10 years. Even lied to a cop to try and have me arrested, because he believed that I needed the Program or I would become a junkie and die a horrible death. Then he figured out the scam, apologized to me (which was probably the hardest words that old sailer ever had to speak), and I forgave him. I also forgave my teachers, who's reporting to my mother on my obvious depression, led her to the conclusion that I needed a little brainwashing. I even forgive the cops who slapped the cuffs on me and took me to detention for their part in Straight's effort to force me back into the program. I even forgive you people who, not knowing what you were supporting, have marched in lock step with the drug nazis so that, now, my kids have to live in a world where just being a teenager is viewed as probable cause for some kind of crime.
How many parents do you think have come to this site looking for valid, truthful information about these programs and, instead, found these obscene, sophmoric attacks and concluded that we're all a bunch of basket cases, just like the WWASPies say we are? Do you understand that, all good intentions aside, sometimes your actions might be helping WWASP and hurting kids too?
I can forgive damned near anything, once you stop doing it to me. Life's just too short to play it any other way.
Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change.
--Anonymous
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Ginger Warbis ~ Antigen
American drug war P.O.W.
10/80 - 10/82
Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
Anonymity Anonymous
Anonymous:
Anon, what will happen once a class action is filed? Will all the kids be sent home or simply re-referred into some other "safe and healthy" (sic)locked school or program by one of these independent referral agencies? That's what concerns me and should be of concern to everyone who purports to care about kids. This industry is rife with corruption and without any real oversight, the gravy train of abuse will continue.
So Ginger, please keep the light on. The need for a home for wayward forums will not diminish any time soon.
::heart::
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