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Antigen:
Here's an example. Something that just landed in my mailbox from a drug policy reform list. Those of you who are allergic to the drug policy reform issue, please hold you nose just for a few minutes and consider that I might have a valid point. We're working against the same people. Not just people of like mind, but the very same individuals. And we're not the ones dragging the drug issue into everything, they are.


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Senate Bill Could Rework ONDCP Ad Campaign
11/14/2003

A bill introduced in the U.S. Senate would remove the ad agency Ogilvy & Mather from the White House's anti-drug media campaign and force the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) to share control over the project with the Partnership for a Drug-Free America (PDFA), Ad Week reported Nov. 10.

The bill, which is sponsored by Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.), Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah), reflects deep dissatisfaction with a campaign that has shown mixed results. "This bill reflects a concern about how the program has been managed in the past," one congressional source said.

Lawmakers are upset that Ogilvy & Mather was awarded the contract for the ad campaign again after the agency settled civil charges over its billing practices. In addition, lawmakers are displeased with the public feuding over creative control between the ONDCP and PDFA.

Under the Senate bill, an agency would be hired to handle the media aspect of the campaign, while the PDFA would handle the creative end.

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See what they're doing here? The ONDCP gets some millions every year to promote Mel and Betty's agenda. It's all a pack of lies, so naturally enough it always fails to have the intended effect. So what do the politicos do? Why, they pick a scapegoat to throw to the wolves and go on pretending that what they're doing is good and right and worthwhile.

Here's how some other people are approaching the same problem:

--- Quote ---Now Available Online:
 
The Cultural  Baggage radio show from Tuesday, Nov 18th, featuring Judge
Eleanor Shockett is now online at:  http://www.cultural-baggage.com/kpft.htm  
MP3  http://www.cultural-baggage.com/Audio/FDBCB_111803.mp3
RAM http://www.cultural-baggage.com/ramtorm/to111803.ram

I just did a quick count and there are now about 60 Cult Bag shows online
featuring judges, scientists, congressmen, district attornies and more, all
calling for an end to this nearly 89 year old jihad on our own people.

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Men had better be without education than be educated by their rulers.

--Thomas Hodgskin
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Anonymous:
Ginger, I get your point that these scumbags are already breaking the laws that already exist, and that the authorities don't want to enforce the law.

That's why I want there to not only be clearly delineated procedures, I want not following those procedures and committing a kid to be defined in the law as *evidence that the parents are unfit*.

Because custody disputes are an adversarial process where someone who actually *cares about the kid* is in there with a lawyer fighting to win.

You can get law to work even when the authorities would rather look the other way---you do it by giving another party legal standing to take the matter into court and getting their lawyers into the fight.

You also stipulate in law that the complainant suing for custody has the right, and the child has the right and responsibility, to be physically present to give a preference.  You give the complainant the right to compel them to produce the kid for the custody hearing.

Antigen:

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Because custody disputes are an adversarial process where someone who actually *cares about the kid* is in there with a lawyer fighting to win.

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I'll agree that custody disputes are adversarial. But I don't know very many cases where the advocate(s) for the kid have really shown a whole lot of care for them. The trouble with just two parents and maybe a grandparent or two is that everyone involved believes they're the one who cares about the kid. That that can justify all sorts of really horrible and cruel behavior.


Being a street cop, witnessing the tragedy firsthand, I've become
convinced that drug prohibition -- not drugs themselves -- are driving the HIV epidemic and the systemic crime that has swamped our criminal justice systems.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
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Anonymous:
I just think it would be an improvement, from seeing all these cases where the parents are split and one parent sticks the kid in a program--the changes would mean that if that parent didn't follow the rules and stuck the kid somewhere, anyway, that the other parent could use that to get custody and get the kid out.

Some of these kids are going to have adult siblings,  and maybe aunts or uncles, or adult cousins.

I know custody fights can be bad, but if the threat of a custody fight makes the programmed parent follow the rules---possibly getting them to realize a particular kid is *not* appropriate for placement in a program---or makes it easier for another relative to get an inappropriately placed kid out of a bad program, then it's an improvement.

It's not perfect, but I think it would help.

Antigen:
But that's already the law. They just ignore it. Carey had joint custody of her boys but her ex just sent them off without telling her. When she went to get them, they were simply going to refuse to let them go with her. Had it not been for the hired beefcakes, they might have just called the local police and lied, just like the SAFElings did in Orlando when some friends of mine witnessed them assaulting and kidnapping a young man who tried to leave.

I think we just need a whole lot more people to put pressure on law enforcement to actually enforce laws against interfeing with custody like this. Then there are the laws requiring due process and/or psyche evaluation before a professional can administer psyche drugs or use restraints to force a kid or an adult to go or to stay where and with whom they don't want to be.

The weavers of linen and hempen cloth, ... may exercise their trades without paying any fine.
-- Adam Smith in The Wealth of Nations (chapter X, part II) notes:

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