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GregFL:
Hello, Mike. It is a pleasure to make your acquaintance.  Who was John Underwood?  Was he a senior staff member with a new york Accent?  If so, he came to St Pete with Libby, Shelly, and Arthur to do the devil's work.
Tell us about some of your experiences while you were there.

FueLaw:
John Underwood was a senior staff member in '73-'74. I am not sure what happend after that. He was a big skinny guy from New York with blondish/brown hair. I also remember Arthur, another heavy set black guy named Robert who used to cut hair, a lady named Debbie del Bueno( or something to that effect) Penny, a heavy set black lady who was a good singer, there was a guy named Scott who was also from New York,. Back then they had facilities in Ft. Lauderdale, St. pete, Ft Pierce, and Miami, I was in Miami when they closed and merged with broward. I think they kind of rotated the staff members.

I remember one particular incident that happend right before Christmas at an open meeting. I had been in the program for about 7 months and had just got started over. They had all of the kids singing etnic songs and when it came to the jewish kids I would not get up and sing. They had some dignartaries there such as newspaper writers, judges ect... When John Underwood kept proding me to sing I told him to F-himself in front of the entire open meeting. I was dragged back to the offices out of public view immediately. After the meeting I was brought in front of the group and Underwood went nuts on me. He was demanding that I apologize to the group and I wouldn't. This went on for about 30-45 minutes,(it seemed like a lifetime then) and all I did was glare at him and who ever took a turn a yelling at me. I never apologized and I guess they were tired and finally started letting everyone go home.

GregFL:
Wow, you were a brave kid, I lived in constant fear of being called on. I too was forteen, but fortunately, I was able to hide out pretty good in group and rarely got called on, and did my best to avoid personal confrontation.  I did some things there that I am not proud of, like helping restrain kids trying to escape. i was so young and totally submitted to the cult, which caused me great shame.  I was in St Pete starting in June of 73. Art, Libby, Suzie Connors, and several others from Ft Lauderdale were there.  I have an Art Barker story that I will post soon that I think you really will appreciate.

kpickle39:
Hey Mike - if ya can't come as a lawyer, then come as a survivor - because you are . . . we all are.  Take care -

Mike, Straight Survivor '78 -'80

DKM84:
hey, I started in andrews, then to 84
in @71 til I think about 75 / 76 - they liked me so much I had to get it right a few times, at least that's what Underwood would tell me. Small world huh

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