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GregFL:
I must make a comment here. I spoke to John for about two hours the other day on the phone before he posted.

Like him, hate him, blame him or praise him...I don't care.

But know this...John told me in no uncertain terms that he knew many mistakes were made, that Art Barkers ego was way over the top, That the rules at the seed were way to harsh for young kids, That He understood how the seed could have been very traumatic for people like me, and that the entire seed staff focused on Art Barker instead of the Seed, and many other things that someone firmly entrenched in cultic mentality could never have said.

Also don't forget that the seed used him up and spit him out for the very same reason it did many of us, because we decided to assert some independent thinking.

I think his post was brave. I am not going to say I agree with everything he said, but I am glad he said it and wish he would say more.  There are stil unanswered questions.

JaLong:
I've been sitting here reading all the posts about John and his post, and all posts you started about John's post. Ya know, I've been shaking my head reading all the comments. Sure the "Seed sucked", yes it messed me up in some ways too. Yet, it got me off of all the dope I was doing. I too was full of fear, and would hide behind people so I wouldn't be "called on". I just feel a lot of people haven't let go of the past yet. I was in there for 10 1/2 months starting in July of 73. I didn't know how to function on the "outside" when I graduated. I know, because of my ego I messed up some of my newcomers. Who was I to "raise" young kids I didn't even know, lest know my own self.
 I understand everyone had their own unigue experience in the Seed, yet why is there so much hostility, anger, and resentment still??? I let go a long time ago. All of my resentments weren't hurting anyone but myself. If Art has some guilt, fine. He messed up hundreds, if not thousands of young kids. Now almost 50 myself, and I got re-programmed with the help of a therapist, I don't live in the past anymore. The past is gone. I only have today, and I'm not guaranteed tomorrow. I appreciate this site, and I understand that people are still hurt by the whole experince of the Seed, but I don't feel hostility towards others who post is necessary. This is just MY opinion. I'm not dogging anyone nor this site. I think this site is vital, and I'm grateful someone told me about it. For now, I'm grateful to have survived the Seed, and life is good. Take care everyone.
Julie

Antigen:
Well, Julie, I can only speak for myself. I'm nowhere near as angry and hostile as some people seem to think. I am, however, interested in bringing about open discussion about the methods employed by The Seed.

Even though your lilly white ass is now safe and sound and your shrink was able to help you mitigate some of the damage. Good to hear it! But there are several thousand kids right now undergoing physical and psyche abuse by exactly the methods use in The Seed. I think that if the scam were to become common knowledge, as the clams and Mormons are understood in Europe, then fewer people will fall for the scam.

I hope that, one day, local authorities will actually enforce laws against child abuse as practiced under the guise of TC style treatment. Right now, I'd be satisfied w/ just eliminating public funding and court coercion. One important aspect of carrying that off is dispelling the myth that the TC method is proven safe and effective and based in good science. It is not. As a publicly funded, law enforcement and court supported treatment for raging adolescance, it is largely based on Art's bullshit.

I think people should know that.


When I tell the truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do.
William Blake
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Antigen:
BTW, if this is all so boring and unimportant, why invest the time to read it?
My initial response was to sue her for defamation of character, but then I realized that I had no character.
-- Charles Barkley, on hearing Tonya Harding proclaim herself "the Charles Barkley of figure skating"

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Anonymous:
Lilly White??? I did not know that...
still pretty cute for 50 though... :razz:

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