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An unfortunate case...

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MelissaR:
In a hasty attempt to study for an AP Anatomy and Physiology quiz... here are the answers to your questions, Anon...

1. Obviously I'm not asking you to single-handedly whisk away the facilities. Get real. I was simply saying that I was offended by RICHARD, because he truly knows nothing of the subject, and he is unwilling to learn from those who have had first hand experience. Maybe you saw the last episode of "Rich Girls" on MTV, the one where they visit Nantucket, and become entralled with the fact that there are children in Ethiopia starving to death. I was enfuriated by these girls.. and what they were saying, their tone, demeanor and attitude about the situation in Africa. They truly had no idea what they were talking about, and offending people who have dedicated their lives to helping those in need. This is very similar to how I was offended by Richard. I have dedicated lots of time to this cause, and I can smell a phony from a mile away. At this point I have decided that the only people capable of genuinely fighting against harmful treatment centers are those that have been there. The survivors. They aren't looking for money, they aren't looking for revenge, they simply know in their heart that the way they were treated was wrong, and want to do something about it. Granted, there are exceptions... i.e. Ryan Fraidenburg. Actually, that is the only exception I can think of.

2. Yes, the conditions are that bad in some places. Talk to survivors. I found a tooth in my food on 2 occassions during my stay at Spring Creek Lodge, in Montana. It sounds outrageous, but it's 100% true.


3. Relative wealth, no. I was referring to his threats to locate everyone's IP who was baiting him. He was crying to his mommy, as far as I'm concerned. He was trying to push people around with irrelevant computer jargon, not to mention weird psychological jargon as well. I am not one to be intimditated by things I don't understand. I set out to understand them, rather than let ignorance be my weakness.


I hope that satisfies your need. By the way, try not to take things on such a literal level.

Anonymous:
Apologies - I must be even more paranoid than I thought. And I do have a serious problem with people  who spew uninformed opinions on problems, then get an ego about it; I recognize I can be like this myself, and try not to.

But while I do believe survivors will always be the largest force behind a campaign like this, I also think that people who have not been there can offer support in the cause. Imposition of one's help is not a good thing, of course, but neither is rejection of people who can be taught and become strong forces. Hunger in Ethiopia is not helped only by Ethiopians.

Antigen:
Hmm.

No doubt in my mind at all that program vets need the help and support of non vets for a number of reasons.

First, let me tell you I was both shocked and thoroughly pissed off by Titsch's response to you, Melissa. I understand what he took exception to, but he just didn't handle it well.

I don't agree with your basing your trust in people on whether or not they were in a program. I think it's a mistake. I do get that it's easier to get to know someone w/ similar life experience. But just because someone's been through a program doesn't make them trustworthy and vica versa.

But that works against us, too. We're all biased one way or another. For every one of us, the story is complicated by family issues, trouble with the law or school and other complications. But coming from someone like Titsch (or Arnold Trebach or some other folks who haven't been there) that's not an issue.

Here's what Titsch has got that we haven't. He's a legal eagle without a horse in this race, aside from common concern for his fellow man. There's no confusion over whether he's just pissed at his parents or ex or a failure in life who can't get over blaming others for his mistakes. It's simply not an issue, he's reporting what he sees as an objective, outside observer. That's golden!

He's got a skill set that most of us lack. I joke around a lot about jaberwocks and such. But the truth is there are some good ones and there is an art to practicing law. Titsch is not a lawyer, but a legal assistant. That means he's up to his eyeballs in jaberwocky every day and surrounded by jaberwocks. He knows the language and culture and can translate our grievances into language they can understand. That's golden too!

And he has been working on this since around June. Just search on his name and you'll find nearly 30 forums where he posted his original essay. After that, he used his language skills and understanding of the legal system to get in touch with the right person inside the Embassey and to convey the importance of the situation in terms that seem to have gotten the lady's attention. I can't remember her name, but if you look through recent posts, he states it just before he gets all pissed off and vanishes.

But there's this primal flaw. If anybody is going to get all bent out of shape and take their ball and go home just because some 18yo stranger on the net says she doesn't trust them, well there's nothing I can do to help that. It's going to happen again and again and again. Anyone who can't take that kind of thing and let it roll off is just not going to be able to get anything done in our weird little social circle. We're a strident and truculant and highly skeptical bunch.



He that will not reason is a bigot; he who cannot is a fool; and he who dares not, is a slave.
--William Drummond (1585-1640)
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Froderik:
I agree. If he is capable of being put off that easily, perhaps the case just isn't for him...On the other hand, maybe he'll prove us wrong and bounce back. You out there, Rich?

Anonymous:
rich, rick, cocksuckin motherfucker, or watever u go by these days:

take ur abuse reports and shove em up ur fuckin ass. u jus a lonely old man who dont gotta life and tries to makes other peoples lives hell.  u r a sick fuck.  u r tha biggest phony ive ever seen.  jus remember tha sane people let ur bullshit go in one ear and right out tha other.  good luck wit ur shit talkin bout TB.  ur a real pieca shit.

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