Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
An unfortunate case...
MelissaR:
Katelyn...
I'm a little confused about your post. Are you trying to figure out who I am? I think I have made it pretty clear who I am, and I guess I kind of have to assume the risk in this situation to get any kind of respect. Yes, I am 18, still in school, and I spent 17.5 months in Spring Creek Lodge. I have done a lot of work since I've been home, mostly working with reporters and parents. I post here pretty often, it's a good source of information.
Richard, again, I drew no "initial blood," you have to remember I've been around a long time, and worked with WWASP people for ages. I can smell a rat easily. I just think that your venomous insults towards survivors are not indicative of commitment or caring about the cause. This isn't about Ginger not liking you, and therefore you should leave... you just need to consider what you are getting into, and tread very lightly, because there are many of us that are very sensitive and skeptical. It is not easy for us to form bonds with people not involved with programs, or having a past history of programs. I can meet someone who was involved with straights 15 years ago, and quickly have an intense bond with them. Just because someone visits Auschvitz does not make them a Jew, just as visiting Tranquility Bay does not make you a victim. We need someone like you around, but not with this approach. I would suggest that you identify yourself as someone who is interested in learning about these facilities, rather than a crusader. Your being a "crusader" is offensive to me. You can sit at your fancy computer, the TV blaring in the backround, sipping on a drink and having a snack thinking "Oh, those poor kids," while there are kids that are gnawing on an old goat bone wishing they were dead. I've been there. I've had to make the decision while looking at a bottle of bleach,wondering if drinking it would send me to the psych ward, and out of WWASP's care. Unfortunate, yes. Sick, yes. True, yes. You can throw whatever "diagnosis" you like at me. Truth is, I'm a victim of incarceration and you better believe it, I've got a real fucking thick skin. I'm looking at a future in marketing and advertising at Arizona State University, or perhaps writing. Regardless of where I go, or where my ambitions take me, I carry a scar from the time I spent under WWASP. Since I am such a righteous person, and I am well aware of my rights, and the rights of others, I have taken a personal interest in assisting others. If nothing else, spread information. I have seen nothing from you but opinions, arguments, and a half-assed webpage. I'm glad you know how to work a search engine, but that certainly does not make you a crusader.
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-11-16 16:42:00, MelissaR wrote:
By the way... Ginger...oh wise one... I told you before I don't like hanging around here... it keeps getting weirder and weirder... shoot me a line when it clears up. I'll be happily meddling away doing my part to FREE kids like me...
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Yeah, signal to noise ratio gets pretty bad around here sometimes. Shoot me an email, though, just in case I don't have a current one for you. Don't be a stranger. I'll certainly drop you a line if anything comes up that I think you'd want to know. But I don't think things will ever be exactly what you'd call clear or calm around here.
When a well-packaged web of lies
has been sold gradually to the masses
over generations, the truth will seem
utterly preposterous and its speaker
a raving lunatic.
--Dresden James
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Deborah:
Hey Rich,
Just a thought, but did it ever occur to you that she might be baiting you? To see how you reacted? I'm not saying she was (I truly don't know), but your defensive response certainly raised some hairs with her and others.
You might have requested that she elaborate on why she sensed you as "fishy" rather than attack and defend. Not too late to edit your posts and make that request. Put the ball back in her court. I say that from a purely selfish place- I would like to hear her imaginings. Read the archives. You're not the first to be attacked.
You've been given some good advice by several people. You might want to do a little research on the effects of "program life" so you'll understand the suspicion and outrage that is often directed at anyone who even smells like the perpetrator.
If you don't chill and if history repeats itself, the next accusation (whether founded or not) will be that you are really a WWASPer pretending to be an advocate, and making an "ass" out of yourself to discredit those who are on the good road.
The truth. No one really knows who you are or if your agenda is what you say. To expect people to trust without reservation is unreasonable given the venue. You can't take that personally. Let time show that....or if the heat's too much, you'll have to "get out the kitchen". I hope that will not be the case. I'm assuming you're innocent until proven guilty- the anon poster who said no one wants you here was not speaking for everyone.
Anonymous:
Ginger point out in answer to something I said:
And then immediately threatens coercion with serious consequences over a really petty slight and based on some really flimsey evidence at that. And, as it turns out, unless Melissa is a whole lot more net savvy than I thought, he's dead wrong.
Yes indeed; but it snuck in while I was typing my post.
I was taken by surprise when I saw that.
I'm sorry to see all this has gotten so hurtful.
I hope its over now, and we can all go lick our wounds and return with tails waggin.
In other words -
Could we start again, please?
Antigen:
Cool with me! ::cheers::
Ardent advocates of prohibition were obsessed by a zeal that bordered on fanaticism. They supported politicians who voted to outlaw liquor, no matter how much of it they privately consumed, and spurned politicians who voted against prohibition, no matter how sober they were personally.
Sen. Sam Ervin, Preserving The Constitution
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