General Interest > Thought Reform
the DISSOCIATION issue
seamus:
dude, I have no problem with you or your brother. I dont care whos "rehab" was worse. what I care about is that things get passed down,so that dumb assed, non thinking parents dont do the injustice or puttin kids into a damaging ,nightmarish situation. now hav ing said that(sorry space key sticks) just where do YOU think the school of thought,that the people who fucked YOUR life came from. Im out o straight,but I realise theres more than 1 way to become fuct. the thing is how it got to be from point "a" to point "b: tell the world,and then you both kill the demon that has allready hamstrung us,and you warn potential prlacements of parents because 20% of them(and im being super generous) might see the truth of how truly damaging this bullshit is. This thing is beyond the Idea of who was a "staff member" ( I was too). dfo what you gotta do but fuck dude it s bigger than pride. I dont do shit to hurt any survivor onthis forum,lookit up,l didnt our programs fuck us hard enough? Im just sayin givr your 2cents (i know its there). about what really went on what really caused it ,and how to dodge/change it. I positivly refuse to get into the Idea of "an x staffmember said thus and so" fuck that,Im one too. and in stasnding here,thrying my balls off to be a better man than ive been inthose days. I dont hate you and I think you are misunderstood. You should say your bit. but for the obvious,please be careful how you say it. man , cmon be better than a "moderator"
starry-eyed pirate:
--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" --- ...No one talks about it.... if someone could have explained what we have discovered, here, for ourselves, on fornits, shortly after I got out, then I might have saved so much wasted time, but anyway...
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...and just to be clear, I don't mean to imply that a quick little explanation would've made everything alright, but say, for example, if someone would'a' handed me Robert Lifton's book about the Brainwashing in China within a few weeks of graduation, and been willing to discuss it with me, then I think a whole lot of confusion and wasted time and energy could've been avoided. No one debriefed us.
Froderik:
--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" ---
--- Quote from: "starry-eyed pirate" --- ...No one talks about it.... if someone could have explained what we have discovered, here, for ourselves, on fornits, shortly after I got out, then I might have saved so much wasted time, but anyway...
--- End quote ---
...and just to be clear, I don't mean to imply that a quick little explanation would've made everything alright, but say, for example, if someone would'a' handed me Robert Lifton's book about the Brainwashing in China within a few weeks of graduation, and been willing to discuss it with me, then I think a whole lot of confusion and wasted time and energy could've been avoided. No one debriefed us.
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Things got interesting once the internet became commonplace, like a color TV, everyone has it now..let me text ya about what's going on in group, lol. So now people are reading (and then posting) about what happened to them as soon as they get out...
You get the feeling that the string-pullers at the top of the str8 pyramid didn't figure on this "talking out in group," even though it's 20 years after the fact...so it's a different world now in that regard...
Yeah it would have been good to have been debriefed.. things might have been a little different...then again, it would have been good to have never gone in at all, but we will never know what that is like, either..
Judge Joe Brown:
deleted September 8, 2011
Awake:
@ Gatekeeper
I think there was always emphasis on ‘feeling’ being the real you with the ‘truth’ and ‘little kid’, maybe not as explicitly stated like in the ‘I and me’. But I do seem to remember that this propheet gave staff the ability to attack a students ‘thinking’, by saying ‘that’s your thinking’ and essentially blame your ‘head’ for getting in the way of your ‘feelings’. Wasn’t “I” associated with “thinking”? (Wasn’t the towel exercise a fight between I and Me?) I remember lots of language like ‘you’re in your head’, and that was generally recognized as a bad or ‘not the real you’. This is what I remember from raps, just like the rest of the tools, ‘you’re not living your Truth, that’s your Lie’, and so on.
I think my main point was to show that there is something extremely ironic in that the “I and ME” was originally a theory of consciousness developed by William James who at the time was carrying on an all but dead tradition in hypnosis and dissociation, and who also believed that schizophrenia, literally a split mind, can be created by the therapist. Actually I think all the tools suggest that that was the intention, extreme polarizations of personality traits. I mean, what was all that screaming at the floor yelling ‘fuck you’ about as if there is someone else in your head. This was not a healthy thing for staff to emphasize, they were teaching us to manifest psychotic symptoms. And the propheets, no sleep, exhausting exercises, heavy emotional stimulation, the whole thing was to hypnotize you and dissociate you to produce a state of mind where you are most suggestible to others influences, ....I’m pretty sure.
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