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Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Dr. Matthew Israel was at Harvard in the early 60's and everyone else you have mentioned were there during the 60's. Israel and Davidson opened practices and eventually programs within New England. A member here spoke of being placed at JRC after their stint at Elan. So right there we know Davidson and Israel knew one another. How or why is another thing.
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I don't think that you can definitively conclude that Davidson and Israel knew one another based on those few facts alone. They might have known one another, but you really can't say that for sure.
Moreover, from what I understand (which may well be incorrect), Davidson was initially focused primarily on addiction treatment modalities, whereas Israel was constructing a Brave New Skinnerian World for chronic self-destructors. The kids in the Behavioral Research Institute (JRC's original name), would have been unlikely, back then, to have many addiction issues save possibly what Big Pharma had foisted upon them.
It's possible they may have overlapped vis a vis the use of therapeutic communities in treatment, but, here again, there are differences with regard to the target population which may or may not be significant or relevant.
DannyB II:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---Dr. Matthew Israel was at Harvard in the early 60's and everyone else you have mentioned were there during the 60's. Israel and Davidson opened practices and eventually programs within New England. A member here spoke of being placed at JRC after their stint at Elan. So right there we know Davidson and Israel knew one another. How or why is another thing.
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I don't think that you can definitively conclude that Davidson and Israel knew one another based on those few facts alone. They might have known one another, but you really don't know that for sure.
Moreover, from what I understand (which may well be incorrect), Davidson was initially focused primarily on addiction treatment modalities, whereas Israel was constructing a Brave New Skinnerian World for chronic self-destructors. The kids in the Behavioral Research Institute (JRC's original name), would have been unlikely, back then, to have many addiction issues save possibly what Big Pharma had foisted upon them.
It's possible they may have overlapped vis a vis the use of therapeutic communities in treatment, but, here again, there are differences with regard to the target population which may or may not be significant or relevant.
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I would not argue these points. I am just trying to put all known tidbits of facts out on the table. I know for a fact that a Elan survivor stated on this forum that after they had left Elan (with their parents) they were driven south into Massachusetts and visited JRC. That this recommendation was given by Dr.Davidson. Now I have tried to find the post and can't find it right now but even if I did find it, is it right to include this person (out this person) in this hunt for info.
Thanks for the help Ursus.
Xelebes:
BF Skinner seems to be the common link.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "DannyB II" ---I would not argue these points. I am just trying to put all known tidbits of facts out on the table. I know for a fact that a Elan survivor stated on this forum that after they had left Elan (with their parents) they were driven south into Massachusetts and visited JRC. That this recommendation was given by Dr.Davidson. Now I have tried to find the post and can't find it right now but even if I did find it, is it right to include this person (out this person) in this hunt for info.
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Ah! I see that I have misunderstood the point of your earlier post. Typical of me. My bad, sorry.
I was under the impression that all this discussion was focussed on airing possibilities, probabilities, and actualities vis a vis the ORIGINS of the various strains of mindfuckery, and hence whether or not Davidson and Israel knew each other later in life (which, fwiw, I'm inclined to believe is the case), although not irrelevant, would not tell us much as to collaboration or sharing of ideas in their earlier experimentation.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Xelebes" ---BF Skinner seems to be the common link.
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He is certainly someone who figured prominently in Matthew Israel's "philosophy."
How prominently did he figure in Gerald Davidson's?
Fwiw, Skinner was one of those research scientists who was the recipient of CIA grants. I've not researched this much at all. I've no idea of how much or how little, or even whether he was aware of their source. Some scientists were kept in ignorance.
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