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Drs. Gerald Davidson and Matthew Israel
« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2011, 05:04:35 PM »
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Dr. Matthew Israel was at Harvard in the early 60's and everyone else you have mentioned were there during the 60's. Israel and Davidson opened practices and eventually programs within New England. A member here spoke of being placed at JRC after their stint at Elan. So right there we know Davidson and Israel knew one another. How or why is another thing.
I don't think that you can definitively conclude that Davidson and Israel knew one another based on those few facts alone. They might have known one another, but you really can't say that for sure.

Moreover, from what I understand (which may well be incorrect), Davidson was initially focused primarily on addiction treatment modalities, whereas Israel was constructing a Brave New Skinnerian World for chronic self-destructors. The kids in the Behavioral Research Institute (JRC's original name), would have been unlikely, back then, to have many addiction issues save possibly what Big Pharma had foisted upon them.

It's possible they may have overlapped vis a vis the use of therapeutic communities in treatment, but, here again, there are differences with regard to the target population which may or may not be significant or relevant.
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Re: Drs. Gerald Davidson and Matthew Israel
« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2011, 05:16:09 PM »
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Dr. Matthew Israel was at Harvard in the early 60's and everyone else you have mentioned were there during the 60's. Israel and Davidson opened practices and eventually programs within New England. A member here spoke of being placed at JRC after their stint at Elan. So right there we know Davidson and Israel knew one another. How or why is another thing.
I don't think that you can definitively conclude that Davidson and Israel knew one another based on those few facts alone. They might have known one another, but you really don't know that for sure.

Moreover, from what I understand (which may well be incorrect), Davidson was initially focused primarily on addiction treatment modalities, whereas Israel was constructing a Brave New Skinnerian World for chronic self-destructors. The kids in the Behavioral Research Institute (JRC's original name), would have been unlikely, back then, to have many addiction issues save possibly what Big Pharma had foisted upon them.

It's possible they may have overlapped vis a vis the use of therapeutic communities in treatment, but, here again, there are differences with regard to the target population which may or may not be significant or relevant.

I would not argue these points. I am just trying to put all known tidbits of facts out on the table. I know for a fact that a Elan survivor stated on this forum that after they had left Elan (with their parents) they were driven south into Massachusetts and visited JRC. That this recommendation was given by Dr.Davidson. Now I have tried to find the post and can't find it right now but even if I did find it, is it right to include this person (out this person) in this hunt for info.

Thanks for the help Ursus.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2011, 05:32:47 PM »
BF Skinner seems to be the common link.
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Re: Drs. Gerald Davidson and Matthew Israel
« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2011, 05:42:29 PM »
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I would not argue these points. I am just trying to put all known tidbits of facts out on the table. I know for a fact that a Elan survivor stated on this forum that after they had left Elan (with their parents) they were driven south into Massachusetts and visited JRC. That this recommendation was given by Dr.Davidson. Now I have tried to find the post and can't find it right now but even if I did find it, is it right to include this person (out this person) in this hunt for info.
Ah! I see that I have misunderstood the point of your earlier post. Typical of me. My bad, sorry.

I was under the impression that all this discussion was focussed on airing possibilities, probabilities, and actualities vis a vis the ORIGINS of the various strains of mindfuckery, and hence whether or not Davidson and Israel knew each other later in life (which, fwiw, I'm inclined to believe is the case), although not irrelevant, would not tell us much as to collaboration or sharing of ideas in their earlier experimentation.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2011, 05:50:23 PM »
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BF Skinner seems to be the common link.
He is certainly someone who figured prominently in Matthew Israel's "philosophy."

How prominently did he figure in Gerald Davidson's?

Fwiw, Skinner was one of those research scientists who was the recipient of CIA grants. I've not researched this much at all. I've no idea of how much or how little, or even whether he was aware of their source. Some scientists were kept in ignorance.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #50 on: August 23, 2011, 06:12:51 PM »
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I was under the impression that all this discussion was focussed on airing possibilities, probabilities, and actualities vis a vis the ORIGINS of the various strains of mindfuckery, and hence whether or not Davidson and Israel knew each other later in life (which, fwiw, I'm inclined to believe is the case), although not irrelevant, would not tell us much as to collaboration or sharing of ideas in their earlier experimentation.

Did I say facts above and become to excited...darn just like me.  :-[  
Sorry big guy I am a novice and it shows sometimes.
I'll settle down.
Thanks for all your help.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2011, 06:21:18 PM »
Wayne has brought a very intriguing idea to the table. Not to sound to whacky but I have not been able (to not) think about this possibility of Davidson using residents (back during the 70's and possibly early 80's) as test subjects in experiments.
So as I remember anything I want to write it down here no matter how weird it might read.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #52 on: August 23, 2011, 07:25:48 PM »
I'm supposing on all of this, but it's pretty compelling supposition. These people traveled in a small circle, so it's reasonable to assume they knew each other. If there's a link I'm going to find it.

Joseph Campbell is the next guy I'm going to check out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

"In 1921 he graduated from the Canterbury School in New Milford, Connecticut."

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Doctor Peck was from New Milford
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2011, 07:30:23 PM »
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Dr. Arnold A. Hutschnecker, who for many years served as Richard M. Nixon's psychotherapist and who once said that Nixon ''didn't have a serious psychiatric diagnosis'' but had ''a good portion of neurotic symptoms,'' died on Thursday at his home in Sherman, Conn. He was 102.

Sherman is just a stone's throw from New Milford, where Doctor M. Scott Peck spent most of his life. They had to know each other

M. Scott Peck was HPM, I have an article about it :)
This dude too
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2011, 11:26:48 PM »
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I'm supposing on all of this, but it's pretty compelling supposition. These people traveled in a small circle, so it's reasonable to assume they knew each other. If there's a link I'm going to find it.

Joseph Campbell is the next guy I'm going to check out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell

"In 1921 he graduated from the Canterbury School in New Milford, Connecticut."

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Doctor Peck was from New Milford


Not Joseph, oh well, if he is guilty then off with his head. I am going to cringe though, Joseph Campbell is one of my favorites. His mythology and dream analysis is interesting reading. I feel weird to about Dr.Peck because he was like a folk hero in Ct.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #55 on: August 23, 2011, 11:51:41 PM »
Joseph Campbell was before these people's time I believe. It's just funny how small this circle is
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #56 on: August 23, 2011, 11:54:56 PM »
What I need is one of those charts the FBI uses for gangs. With pictures and arrows and affiliations
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2011, 12:07:05 AM »
Do you have LibreOffice or Microsoft Office, Wayne?  Those suites have such a program.  Under LO, it is called Draw.  I am forgetting what Microsoft calls it.
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2011, 12:09:22 AM »
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One man who actively sought to be on that list–Charles Dederich–would take a lot from his fanatical AA days when forming Synanon, but unfortunately it did not include Rockefeller’s premonitions nor Wilson’s frugality–and he would have loved to have been on the cover of Time. He went on to prove that absolute power corrupts absolutely. The fact is B.F. Skinner, the originator of a planned perfect society concept, placed value decisions in the hands of behavior modification specialists. And Ms. Rosenberg, that means peer pressure eventually will transmit the illness of anyone’s psychology that no one completely escapes.

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Ms. Rosenberg’s book reminds me of the 1965 book “The Tunnel Back” by sociologist Lew Yablonsky who similarly applauded Synanon’s admitted system of thought reform as a “cure.” Himself a participating square (non addict), Yablonsky was “washed” into writing all Synanon critics were “prejudiced” and “enemies” that had to be stopped, while accurately telling the story of the Synanon process of submitting people to peer pressure to conform, making the analogy to using Thought Reform as described by Dr. Robert J. Lifton in his l962 book Thought Reform and The psychology of Totalism. Yablonsky ate up Synanon’s rhetoric against critics the way the Nazi’s accepted Jewish blame.

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Yablonsky studied sociology and criminology at Rutgers University and in 1958 at New York University for the Ph.D. doctorate. He taught at several prestigious universities, such as Harvard University and Columbia University since 1963 and is a professor of criminology and sociology (now emeritus ) at California State University, Northridge in Northridge ( Los Angeles ). He is also a psychotherapist ( psychodrama ). Yablonsky has published on topics of subculture , the drug therapy and psychodrama , and found that worldwide attention.

I found this interesting :)

http://www.paulmorantz.com/cult/escape- ... rosenberg/
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Re: Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2011, 12:11:12 AM »
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Do you have LibreOffice or Microsoft Office, Wayne?  Those suites have such a program.  Under LO, it is called Draw.  I am forgetting what Microsoft calls it.
I'm not sure. I'll ask the wife, she's smarter than me
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