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Dr Gerald Davidson Was Jennifer's uncle?
Anonymous:
Stoeckle, Zola, and Rosenberg are all over the internet, and so is Joe Ricci. How is it Davidson isn't? He was co-owners of Elan, his name should be all over the place.
BTW, I put Davidson in search with fornits and still didn't hit on this thread :(
Ursus:
Originally posted on 13 Aug 2011 on that other thread:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Is there a reason you didn't show me these hours ago? :beat: You could have saved me a half a day of going down the wrong road
Its funny they didn't come up oh 20 different kinds of searches. But I never put "fornits" in any of them
Just for kicks, my wife had her brother call a friend. Alfred is a doctor, but he got his business degree at Harvard, and has friends. He was there when a group put a fake student through a freshman year, and after nothing on Google searches, he wondered if someone did that here.
Alfred says in an e-mail tonight that Gerald Davidson in fact worked there, but he's remembered the exact same way he is at Elan. Everyone spoke to him once, no one remembers what he looked like, and he was notorious for not being there. For a Harvard professor, this is not a lot, but I don't care because now I have his friends and colleagues names.
Now that I have Alfred I don't need to search so hard :) He's fascinated by the HPM
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Originally posted above:
--- Quote from: "Wayne Kernochan" ---Stoeckle, Zola, and Rosenberg are all over the internet, and so is Joe Ricci. How is it Davidson isn't? He was co-owners of Elan, his name should be all over the place.
BTW, I put Davidson in search with fornits and still didn't hit on this thread :(
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When I said, "I don't have time enough to rifle through the entire catalogue of 'Gerald Davidson' posts on fornits at the moment," I was referring to finding "the perfect thread" to continue this conversation in, not to finding Davidson's publications.
To find Davidson's publications online I just did a google with his full name (including middle initial) in quotes. If there was a CV of his still in existence the search would've been super easy, but I didn't have access to that nor did I find one. If one wanted to dig deeper, one could also do author searches in his favored journals. I'm sure there's a database out there more specific to this kind of endeavor but I can't think of it at the moment.
As to Davidson being a "no-show" for most of the time, that's what you get with some of these bigwigs. They "oversee" and delegate most of the day to day stuff. As far as Elan goes, I'm sure that he perused the reports at some point or another, but you probably wouldn't have seen him doing that.
Now... I didn't know nor did I ever meet Gerald Davidson, so feel free to discount whatever I say as a whole lotta malarkey, but... I'd venture that Davidson's primary value to Elan had more to do with his academic credentials and the implied credibility as to Elan's methodology that went along with that, than it had to do with anything he ever actually did or said.
In fact, "those in charge" were probably quite happy that he wasn't around all that much. If Dr. Davidson was almost never there, abuse that he witnessed could be explained away as aberrant and isolated incidents, and written off as the result of dealing with mentally ill and malingering adolescents. And the longer that Elan could prolong the caché that goes along with having a "real doctor" associated with their program, the more credibility they had.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Now... I didn't know nor did I ever meet Gerald Davidson, so feel free to discount whatever I say as a whole lotta malarkey, but... I'd venture that Davidson's primary value to Elan had more to do with his academic credentials and the implied credibility as to Elan's methodology that went along with that, than it had to do with anything he ever actually did or said.
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On second thought... just how much familiarity did Dr. Davidson enjoy with Maine's Dept. of Human Services (which seems to function with an incredible degree of cluelessness)? Or with certain particular politicians?
Anonymous:
The evidence is long gone on any of these creeps. For Davidson to get so little on a Google search means someone has gone to great lengths to keep him off. My cat gets more hits than him
It makes me wonder why that information isn't there.
If there's anything, Alfred will find it. He knows everyone at the university, but I doubt it.
Matt C. Hoffman:
hi all ,
I have said somewhere before , Ricci had first hand knowledge about the behavivor modifacaton from Daytop. I doubt he understood how these practices worked . Davidson had the text book knowledge, and undoubtedly had to explain a lot to Ricci.
Davidison was there at elan a lot in his office . He was always present at family conferences. He did not say much from what I saw at these meetings. Elan exisited under his medical license (umbrella). He stayed in his office in Joes big old double wide trailer office deal.
In my close to two years I saw him on the floor of the house maybe three times ,(maybe he was afeared of the residents ). He did not consul residents in any one on one sessions . It was odd it was like the old stuff runs down hill. Davidson was at the top top yet Ricci was the one who did the talking. Maybe Davison could be considered the man who stood behind the soft machine , He had ricci's back so to speak.
Davidson was there not as much as one would expect him to be and not as hands on as one would expect either. Though you can be darn sure davidson read the daily reports and paid attention to progress reports, I agree with Ursus sumation to this .
His licencse and signature was the key to ricci getting paid by the states for the states wards that were in that hell hole .after all he was elans medical director. And that carried weight that Ricci did not have ..... Ricci was a non educated goon and I laugh.... he considered himself the therapuetic director at least that the spot he signed on my certificate of having completede the program . Davidson signed as medical director .
The reason I laugh Ricci had self ordained himself and bestowed himself (knighted himself ) that title though legally he had no training save his experience from being in Daytop. and that title was nothing it carried no weight . I reckon for Ricci elan was fun and here people( he knew) looked at him as a God according to zaretzky , but he really was a pimp strutting ,pimp clothes wearing flamboyant ganster wanna be. And he knew he was running a golden business. I think he was also a sadist. elan was also his emotinal playground.
Wayne, Davidson was there a lot more than you or I know ,remember we were being occupied by a really nasty ,sadistic and abusive program at the time with all due respect to you Wayne and that pesky little program really did keep us occupied . . He was there and yes not as much as you would expect him to be and he was certainly not hands on like you would think .
I guess you could say he was the man behind Ricci ,who was behind the curtain most of the time . You never saw him but he knew was there . You could also tell he was there if hisd car was there. He was a very quiet man. I never really heard him say much and I went to a couple of parent confereces mine and another residents who asked me to be there. the man never said much.An opposite of Ricci ,very smart and I think he really shunned the spot light ,that ricci would have paid some one to constantly shine on him
Ricci could not get the presidantial seal of approval like the Straights did and I wonder why ? You know he wanted it . He was a meglomaniac to the nth degree. It must have killed him when he saw Straights getting all the attrention from Nancy Reagan and both Bushes ....hmmm I wonder why they never thru Ricci any props ...lol...more than likely it was because elan was most abusive place on the earth as far as programs went and I bet elan was known and people more thna likely did not want to be associated with Ricci and his gang of cretins that ran that hell hole.
Peace
Matt
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